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The Nightmare BCS Scenario That No One Wants Is Starting to Take Shape

The BCS rankings are out, and there are some obvious winners and losers. Florida got dinged (No. 12) by the non-humans, while USC got a lot of love from the humans as well, but not from the non-humans (No. 10).

But there's an ominous scenario lurking in the BCS poll—the possibility of a conference champion getting leapfrogged by its second-place team and going on to the title game.
Oh no. Not again.

USC is currently No. 5. If USC wins out, and Oregon State wins out, then Oregon State will be the Pac-10 champion by virtue of tiebreaker. Both teams will have had one conference loss, but Oregon State lost to Stanford and beat USC. USC's only conference loss was to Oregon State. The Beavs move on due to head-to-head competition.

Now, what if Alabama loses a game, or Penn State loses a game? They will drop, with Texas at No. 1, Oklahoma at No. 2, and USC at No. 3.
You getting the picture yet?

Texas and Oklahoma have already played, and only one can represent their division in the conference championship. Throw in Oklahoma State as a possible roadblock for Texas, and USC and Oklahoma could both easily end up in the top two spots, with Oklahoma State possibly taking one of their places if they beat Texas this Saturday.

If any of those three Big 12 South teams lose in the Big 12 conference championship, USC will get shoved into the top two spots, assuming they win out. Oklahoma could also take the other top spot, without ever playing in the conference championship.

Remember, Texas has to lose twice for the Sooners to represent the South (assuming the Sooners win out). If a Mizzou or Kansas, both not ranked in the top 10, were to beat the South champ, say Texas or Oklahoma State, then Oklahoma gets the benefit, because at this point, it's unlikely that the North champ will jump to the top two spots.

It is here where the problem begins. USC at No.2 would not be the Pac-10 champ unless Oregon State drops one later on. What if the Beavs don't? They are currently not ranked in the top 25.

USC, ranked in one of the top two spots, would be sent to the BCS title game while Oregon State would go to the Rose Bowl.
Uh-oh.

Remember 2001? Nebraska got smoked by Colorado 62-36 in the final week of regular season play and didn't even play in the Big 12 conference championship, yet were sent over Colorado and Oregon to play Miami in the 2002 BCS Rose Bowl title game. They lost the game, 37-14, and the game wasn't as close as the score seems to indicate.

The obvious solution is to mandate that only a conference champion can move on to the title game, but that rule is not in place. The BCS mandates that the No. 1 and No. 2 teams play in the title game, and all conference champions get an automatic bid to their respective tie-in bowl.

In the above scenario, Oregon State goes to Pasadena, and USC goes to Miami.
Fair? Hardly.

The good news is that the non-human polls are taking into consideration the quality of opponents these teams are playing—so far, the Big 12 has the strongest conference play, based on the current rankings.

The Pac-10's conference play has not helped USC, but as more and more teams lose, some Pac-10 teams and ACC teams will move up in the rankings—like Virginia and Oregon, two teams that USC beat.

The SEC has Florida and Georgia playing in two weeks, and one of those teams will have two losses. With Auburn, Tennessee, and South Carolina suddenly not helping conference strength, the SEC's SOS will drop as well.

In the meantime, some Big 12 teams will drop lower in the rankings due to the South's having to play each other. Their SOS will drop. The only conferences that benefit from this are the Pac-10, the Big Ten, and the ACC.

Hard to believe, but it's a legit concern. Suddenly, USC vs. Ohio State could be playing in Miami if Penn State loses in Columbus.

Let the debates begin.
 

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I really wish I had the last couple minutes of my life back.

I mean IF I had gone 10-0 ATS week 1, and IF Ohio St would have beat USC, and IF Oklahoma would have covered against Texas, and IF Nebraska would have decided to play against Mizzou, and IF Buffalo didn't give up 14 points in the last 4 min, and IF the Ok St would have just decided to suspend their RBs for the Mizzou game, and IF the Penn St football team would have gotten in a bus accident, then

I would be rich and USC and Oklahoma would be 1 and 2. Why didn't that happen!!!!! Oh yeah cause I couldn't predict the future.

Thank you Captain Obvious for pointing out the flaws in the BCS system and every possibility that could happen, but likely will not.

Someone put odds on this nonsense.
 

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Still got a ways to go before worry about any of this. Ok St does not pose a problem to any title contender. Texas will hammer them this weekend, and do the same to Texas Tech most likely. Oregon St will almost certainly not win out, and USC will be in the title game as long as they don't lose again. That's almost certain. The Big 12 winner will be in the title game vs them unless the winner is someone other than OU or Texas (highly unlikely). If the North wins the Big 12 CCG, then imo Ohio St, UGA or Florida would take their place (again, assuming they win out).

A lot of assumptions there though and we have to just let it play out. The only potential problem I see right now with the BCS is how many non-BCS teams are ranked inside the top 15. BSU, TCU and Utah are all right there, and no way in hell more than one non-BCS team should be in a BCS game. Tulsa and Ball State are also right there with undefeated records, when we all know they'd be 30 pt dogs to USC, or OU.
 

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too early to be bitching again about the BCS. face it, we're stuck with it for a long time
 

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If Ohio State somehow ends up in the NCG again, do they have to lose by 30 this time, to never let them in again.
 

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USC will face OSU/Penn st.

And we will have a playoff next year.
 

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Personally I wish that Oregon St. hadn't blown an 11 point lead in the last 2 minutes so we wouldn't need to have Utah in this discussion. Will the Beavers win out? I think they have a great chance as long as they don't give anymore games away. I'd love to see them in the Rose Bowl instead of USC. I doubt USC will get a NC shot unless PSU loses a game and Texas goes down at least once too.

That would leave us with Oklahoma and USC, neither of whom are conference champs. That would make a complete mockery of the BCS system.

Will there be a playoff someday? Yes but not for at least 3 years while the BCS sorts out its contracts and makes a hasty exit ASAP. As it stands, the BCS championship is almost NEVER without controversy. Furthermore, there's been a lot of backroom dealings that's left a lot of schools quite pissed off over the years. That should be the first thing that goes. Aside from that, there's a lot of bias and corrupt voting in the polls that leads to skewed rankings.

The simple answer is to let the conference champions decide amongst themselves who the NC will be via a playoff system. Perhaps one or 2 at large berths to spice it up but that's as far as it needs to go.
 

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If Georgia (or also UF/LSU) and USC both win out then Georgia (sec winner) has to get the nod over USC. USC loses to a unranked team and plays a laughably easy schedule this year. They have and will only play one difficult game the whole season (Ohio State). The SEC winner will undoubtley have to play a much much harder schedule then USC has to face.

It is a joke that USC is sitting in the top five as if the lose to Oregan State never happened
 

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Please propose a playoff system that does not leave anyone out. Use last years results if you want. Or the year before. No matter how you do it you leave someone out.
 

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Yeah but if your argument is that you're the 7th or 8th best team in the country you don't have much of an argument. If there's a 8 team playoff, that is.

Much better to be arguing over the 8th spot in the playoff rather than a team getting screwed out of a NC shot with a legitimate argument to be one of the top two teams.
 

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stop hating on the buckeyes!!! yeah we got stomped the past two years, but hey we just following the BCS system thats in place. yeah we got destroyed by USC but they got destroyed by oregon St.
 

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1. Ohio State (50) 11-1 1,578
2. LSU (11) 11-2 1,519
3. Oklahoma (1) 11-2 1,423
4. Georgia (1) 10-2 1,421
5. Virginia Tech (1) 11-2 1,380
6. USC 10-2 1,346
7. Missouri 11-2 1,195
8. Kansas 11-1 1,164
9. Florida 9-3 1,071
10. Hawaii (1) 12-0 1,050
11. West Virginia 10-2 1,040


Here is last year's week 14 rankings before the bowls.

Really the only argument is whether or not Hawaii is in or not.

Like I said, I as a fan of college football, think it would be much better to leave a team out of the top 8 rather than the top 2.

Florida and West Virginia being left out, there is really no argument. You have a legitimate top 8 teams for a playoff.
 

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USC would be favored over any team on a neutral field right now. That alone makes them a Top 5 team even with one loss.
 

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i'm just interested in the lines. i really don't care where anyone is placed. although last year usc/georgia in rose bowl and illinois/hawaii in sugar would have been better matchups.
 

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If Georgia (or also UF/LSU) and USC both win out then Georgia (sec winner) has to get the nod over USC. USC loses to a unranked team and plays a laughably easy schedule this year. They have and will only play one difficult game the whole season (Ohio State). The SEC winner will undoubtley have to play a much much harder schedule then USC has to face.

It is a joke that USC is sitting in the top five as if the lose to Oregan State never happened

Anything involving USC is a joke to you.

Your big problem is that USC rarely loses the big game. You can't beat them on the field so you think bitching them out here will accomplish something. Well I got news for you, until you can beat them on the field words won't count for shit. Deep down you know it's true and you can't learn to live with it. SOS counts but it doesn't count as much as you wish it did. That's what's laughable.
 

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The Nightmare BCS Scenario That No One Wants Is Starting to Take Shape

The BCS rankings are out, and there are some obvious winners and losers. Florida got dinged (No. 12) by the non-humans, while USC got a lot of love from the humans as well, but not from the non-humans (No. 10).

But there's an ominous scenario lurking in the BCS poll—the possibility of a conference champion getting leapfrogged by its second-place team and going on to the title game.
Oh no. Not again.

USC is currently No. 5. If USC wins out, and Oregon State wins out, then Oregon State will be the Pac-10 champion by virtue of tiebreaker. Both teams will have had one conference loss, but Oregon State lost to Stanford and beat USC. USC's only conference loss was to Oregon State. The Beavs move on due to head-to-head competition.

Now, what if Alabama loses a game, or Penn State loses a game? They will drop, with Texas at No. 1, Oklahoma at No. 2, and USC at No. 3.
You getting the picture yet?

Texas and Oklahoma have already played, and only one can represent their division in the conference championship. Throw in Oklahoma State as a possible roadblock for Texas, and USC and Oklahoma could both easily end up in the top two spots, with Oklahoma State possibly taking one of their places if they beat Texas this Saturday.

If any of those three Big 12 South teams lose in the Big 12 conference championship, USC will get shoved into the top two spots, assuming they win out. Oklahoma could also take the other top spot, without ever playing in the conference championship.

Remember, Texas has to lose twice for the Sooners to represent the South (assuming the Sooners win out). If a Mizzou or Kansas, both not ranked in the top 10, were to beat the South champ, say Texas or Oklahoma State, then Oklahoma gets the benefit, because at this point, it's unlikely that the North champ will jump to the top two spots.

It is here where the problem begins. USC at No.2 would not be the Pac-10 champ unless Oregon State drops one later on. What if the Beavs don't? They are currently not ranked in the top 25.

USC, ranked in one of the top two spots, would be sent to the BCS title game while Oregon State would go to the Rose Bowl.
Uh-oh.

Remember 2001? Nebraska got smoked by Colorado 62-36 in the final week of regular season play and didn't even play in the Big 12 conference championship, yet were sent over Colorado and Oregon to play Miami in the 2002 BCS Rose Bowl title game. They lost the game, 37-14, and the game wasn't as close as the score seems to indicate.

The obvious solution is to mandate that only a conference champion can move on to the title game, but that rule is not in place. The BCS mandates that the No. 1 and No. 2 teams play in the title game, and all conference champions get an automatic bid to their respective tie-in bowl.

In the above scenario, Oregon State goes to Pasadena, and USC goes to Miami.
Fair? Hardly.

The good news is that the non-human polls are taking into consideration the quality of opponents these teams are playing—so far, the Big 12 has the strongest conference play, based on the current rankings.

The Pac-10's conference play has not helped USC, but as more and more teams lose, some Pac-10 teams and ACC teams will move up in the rankings—like Virginia and Oregon, two teams that USC beat.

The SEC has Florida and Georgia playing in two weeks, and one of those teams will have two losses. With Auburn, Tennessee, and South Carolina suddenly not helping conference strength, the SEC's SOS will drop as well.

In the meantime, some Big 12 teams will drop lower in the rankings due to the South's having to play each other. Their SOS will drop. The only conferences that benefit from this are the Pac-10, the Big Ten, and the ACC.

Hard to believe, but it's a legit concern. Suddenly, USC vs. Ohio State could be playing in Miami if Penn State loses in Columbus.

Let the debates begin.

what if alabama doesnt lose a game??? who do they play
 

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