Thank You, Mr. President: Nearly 19,000 civilians killed in Iraq in 21-month period

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Just unbelievable:

(CNN) Nearly 19,000 civilians were killed in Iraq between January 2014 and October 2015 -- a toll the United Nations calls "staggering" in a new report.

The report, released Tuesday, outlines the horrific impact that Iraq's ongoing conflict is having on its civilian population.

The numbers are mind-boggling. In the 21-month period:

• At least 18,802 civilians were killed, about half of them in Baghdad alone.

• Another 36,245 were wounded.

• About 3.2 million people were internally displaced, including a million school-aged children.


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When President Obama picked an arbitrary date to leave Iraq, Iraq was "stable and self-reliant."

Great job.
 

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That war , that Obama was against from the start, and the Status Forces agreement that Bush agreed to, that left no troops in Iraq, will have a negative impact on the world for decades and decades. Thanks W!!!! I guess the economic collapse you led us into wasn't enough!!
 

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It's "Status of Forces." I'm only correcting because you did it twice. SOFA is basically a security arrangement between a host nation and a foreign military presence. From my recollection it was a campaign promise made by Obama to BS the left that the 'real war' was in Afghanistan. Basically a decision to end the war by Obama according to the calendar, and NOT the actual STATUS of security in Iraq. Does that mean Obama has the blood of all 19K dead on his hands? Probably not. But he certainly has more on his hands than Bush the last 7 years.
 

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It's "Status of Forces." I'm only correcting because you did it twice. SOFA is basically a security arrangement between a host nation and a foreign military presence. From my recollection it was a campaign promise made by Obama to BS the left that the 'real war' was in Afghanistan. Basically a decision to end the war by Obama according to the calendar, and NOT the actual STATUS of security in Iraq. Does that mean Obama has the blood of all 19K dead on his hands? Probably not. But he certainly has more on his hands than Bush the last 7 years.

I forgot of twice ?? Thanks for the correction.

The agreement says that all troops will be out of Iraq by Dec 31st 2011.....and that NO residual forces would be left behind. That was the agreement before Obama took office.
 

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I forgot of twice ?? Thanks for the correction.

The agreement says that all troops will be out of Iraq by Dec 31st 2011.....and that NO residual forces would be left behind. That was the agreement before Obama took office.

Yep, and recently.

And it's not all cut and dried. Obama's hands were not tied to that deal. Anyway....

Bush, Clinton Play Blame Game in Iraq



Who’s responsible for withdrawing all U.S. combat troops from Iraq at the end of 2011?
Jeb Bush says President Obama is to blame for the “premature withdrawal” of all U.S. troops. Hillary Clinton’s campaign reminded Bush that his brother, President George W. Bush, signed an agreement that set Dec. 31, 2011, as the withdrawal date. Both have a point, but there’s more to the story than either is letting on.

The Florida governor gave a foreign policy speech Aug. 11 at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Library, where he praised his brother for the 2007 surge and blamed the Obama administration for conditions in Iraq that led to the rise of the terrorist group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS (about the 13-minute mark of the video).

Bush, Aug. 11: So why was the success of the surge followed by a withdrawal from Iraq, leaving not even the residual force that commanders and the joint chiefs knew was necessary? That premature withdrawal was the fatal error, creating the void that ISIS moved in to fill – and that Iran has exploited to the full as well.

The Clinton campaign responded with a statement from Senior Campaign Policy Adviser Jake Sullivan, a former State Department official under Clinton, who said it was President Bush — not Obama — who agreed to the Dec. 31, 2011, date.

Sullivan, Aug. 11: It was President Bush who set the withdrawal date for Americans from Iraq, not President Obama. President Bush signed an agreement that required us to be out by the end of 2011. The Obama administration urged [Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki] to approve our leaving a residual force behind. But Prime Minister Maliki … made it clear that he could not get the Iraqi parliament to do that. Not even for five- or ten-thousand troops.

We won’t settle the political argument over who is responsible for the rise of ISIS, but we will explore the facts over the U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.

It is true that Bush signed an agreement, known as the Status of Forces Agreement, on Dec. 14, 2008, that said: “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”

Condoleezza Rice, who served as Bush’s secretary of state, wrote in her 2011 book, “No Higher Honor,” that Bush did not want to set a deadline “in order to allow conditions on the ground to dictate our decisions.” She wrote that she met with Maliki in August 2008 and secured what she thought was an agreement for a residual force of 40,000 U.S. troops. But she said Maliki soon “reneged” and insisted on “the withdrawal of all U.S. forces by the end of 2011.” She said Bush “swallowed hard” and agreed to what she called “suitable language” to do just that.

Rice, “No Higher Honor,” 2011: We’d given quite a lot of ground on issues such as a withdrawal timetable, consenting to the removal of all U.S. forces by the end of 2011, and we even conceded a limited level of Iraqi legal jurisdiction over our troops. … Ultimately, the compromises we made proved beneficial because the resulting [Status of Forces Agreement] put the end of the war in sight and left the new U.S. president a firm foundation for a successful conclusion of our presence there.

So, President Bush reluctantly agreed to a withdrawal deadline without leaving behind a residual force because of Maliki’s strong objections. Jeb Bush ignores those facts.

Still, Obama had three years to negotiate a new agreement prior to the Dec. 31, 2011, withdrawal date to keep some U.S. troops in Iraq. In fact, a day before Bush signed the agreement, Gen. Ray Odierno — the former commander of the U.S. troops in Iraq and current Army chief of staff — said the agreement might be renegotiated depending on conditions on the ground. “Three years is a very long time,” Odierno told the New York Times.

Leon Panetta, who was Obama’s defense secretary from July 2011 to February 2013, wrote in his 2014 book, “Worthy Fights,” that as the deadline neared “it was clear to me — and many others — that withdrawing all our forces would endanger the fragile stability” in Iraq. As a result, the Obama administration sought to keep 5,000 to 10,000 U.S. combat troops in Iraq, as Sullivan said in his statement.

But negotiations with Iraq broke down in October 2011 over the issue of whether U.S. troops would be shielded from criminal prosecution by Iraqi authorities. Panetta wrote that Maliki insisted that a new agreement providing immunity to U.S. forces “would have to be submitted to the Iraqi parliament for its approval,” which Panetta said “made reaching agreement very difficult.”
Very difficult, but Panetta wrote it was not impossible.

Panetta said the Obama White House did not press hard enough to reach a deal — a point that Bush makes in his speech. Panetta wrote that the U.S. “had leverage” and could have “threatened to withdraw reconstruction aid” if Iraq didn’t agree to “some sort of continued U.S. military presence.”

Panetta, “Worthy Fights,” 2014: To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them. Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away. The deal never materialized. To this day, I believe that a small U.S. troop presence in Iraq could have effectively advised the Iraqi military on how to deal with al-Qaeda’s resurgence and the sectarian violence that has engulfed the country.

Clinton was involved in the negotiations as Obama’s secretary of state and, at least publicly, supported the president’s decision.
Days after Obama announced he would withdraw all troops by Dec. 31, 2011, Clinton was asked on “Meet the Press” if critics had a point that such a withdrawal would “endanger recent success in Iraq by not having any residual force?” She replied, “They should have raised those issues when President Bush agreed to the agreement to withdraw troops by the end of this year.”

More recently, she defended Obama’s actions at a 2014 town hall meeting televised by CNN. This time, she blamed the Iraqi government.
Clinton, June 17, 2014: Some now say, well, you should have made him or you should have — but that’s not the way it works. You have to — if you’re going to having American troops in harm’s way — and we knew Iraq would be quite dangerous for a long time, unpredictable, at the very least — you have to have the host government, in this case Iraq, say, OK, here’s what we want. We’re signing this agreement which will protect American soldiers. We didn’t get that done. And I think, in retrospect, that was a mistake by the Iraqi government.

We take no position on whether the U.S. should have left some combat troops in Iraq. But the record shows that Jeb Bush ignored the fact that his brother agreed to the withdrawal deadline and agreed not to leave behind a residual force. Likewise, the Clinton campaign’s response that Iraq wouldn’t allow the Obama administration to renegotiate the terms of the withdrawal ignored criticism that Obama didn’t try hard enough. That criticism isn’t just partisan. His own defense secretary said Obama wasn’t actively engaged in the negotiations and allowed the opportunity to “slip away.”
— Eugene Kiely
 

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That war , that Obama was against from the start, and the Status Forces agreement that Bush agreed to, that left no troops in Iraq, will have a negative impact on the world for decades and decades. Thanks W!!!! I guess the economic collapse you led us into wasn't enough!!

Then why did Obama claim 100's of times that he ended the war and brought all the troops home?
 

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Then why did Obama claim 100's of times that he ended the war and brought all the troops home?

He was lying. He had nothing to do with it. I only wish he was president in 2000.....Iraq war never happens.
 

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He was lying. He had nothing to do with it. I only wish he was president in 2000.....Iraq war never happens.

Well if you're Obama and against the war in Iraq, why plan with your SOS to overthrow the dictator in Libya who has already given up his nukes and turn that country into a lawless jungle like Iraq as well?

Bush had reason to do Saddam, but a poor outcome. I can't give Obama a pass on Iraq. He's had 7 years. He 'ended the war' on a timetable of choosing a date on the calendar to uphold a BS election slogan, instead of the actual timetable of real life events i.e. they were killing each other in masses. There's plenty of blame to go around. But Vit you're still blaming Red Cashen for all the crappy calls Gene Steatore makes.
 

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Then why did Obama claim 100's of times that he ended the war and brought all the troops home?

don't bother

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Chameleons are reptiles that are part of the iguana suborder. These colorful lizards are known as one of the few animals that can change skin color

"reptiles" that "change color"

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You already told us in a thread you created that Bush ended the war in Iraq. Then you lied and said he kept residual forces there. Would you like me to bump that thread again? You can fool a lot of numbskulls here with your pictures and ten second sound byte info.....but not everyone is a low information right winger.
 

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Collapse of a peace presidency: Obama's speech highlights foreign policy failures




President’s final State of the Union serves as an epitaph for a tenure that began with a promise to halt the Iraq war but ended with capitulation to the status quo



Barack Obama’s final State of the Union marked the beginning of the end of his time in the White House and stands as an epitaph for the dream of a peace presidency.



Obama swept into office on a pledge to end the Iraq war.

The expectations for Obama from a war-weary west were so high he received a Nobel peace prize within months.



As a wartime president, he has resembled his hated predecessor George W Bush, in execution if not design.


He will leave office as Bush did: passing on to his successor two wars – one the longest in American history, the other a reboot of the conflict he promised to end.

Unlike in previous speeches,


Obama did not boast in the State of the Union of ending either.


Obama’s claim to a peace presidency have failed





 

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Of course, Obama is not responsible for every conflagration in the world. But the combination of a bleeding Syria, an escalated Iran-Saudi contest for domination of the Middle East, an irredentist Russia, a global umbrella of counter-terrorism and the inability of Obama to bring his own global priorities to successful conclusions risks marginalizing peace as a geopolitical objective. The next president may look at Obama and decide ending wars is Stupid Shit.





Obama pulled all but a rump troop presence out from Iraq in 2011, although heattempted without success to negotiate a residual force of up to 5,000. Historians will have to determine whether Obama could have convinced the Iraqi parliament to accept that force.
But the pullout briefly closed a chapter in a string of military actions in and over Iraq since 1991 more than it ended a war. Obama returned in summer 2014 to war in Iraq, this time prosecuted primarily from the air and also across the border in Syria, against Islamic State.
 

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The anti-Isis war has shown evidence of confusion within the administration. Obama and aides present maximalist rhetoric, pledging to “ultimately destroy” Isis, but the troop commitment has been minimal, growing by degree to 3,500 “advisers” and, most recently, a special operations raiding force. The war that Obama ended now costs, according to a Pentagon estimate released Monday,$11.5m every day. Over the 18 months Obama has waged it, the two-country war has cost over $5.5bn. In Syria, where Obama openly abandoned his own improvised “red line” against chemical-weapons usage, the president rejected a plan to back Syrian militants fighting dictator Bashar al-Assad, then two years later, in 2014, accepted a plan to arm and train Syrian militants fighting Isis, which failed at great expense.




The persistence of the Afghanistan and Iraq-Syria wars stands alongside Obama’s well-known proliferation of global drone strikes and counter-terrorism raids, which received only oblique references in the State of the Union.
The pace of the “shadow wars” on undeclared battlefields in the Middle East, South Asia and Africa ebbs and flows: US strikes in Pakistan sank to 13 in 2015, the lowest of Obama’s tenure, while the US launched more strikes in Yemen and Somalia in 2015 than 2014. The architecture of drone strikes is more permanent: the US military recently opened drone launchpads in Cameroon and Niger, whileshuttering one in Ethiopia. For much of the world, the drone strike, not the Iran deal, is Obama’s legacy.
 

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Obama tends to pride himself on his aversion to the hysteria that often characterizes foreign affairs discourse, an asset at the core of his anti-Stupid Shit doctrine. But a lesson of his presidency is that there are many varieties of stupidity. Some of it involves embracing, escalating or restarting conflicts without an ability to achieve their result. Other varieties involve rejecting Stupid Shit only to reluctantly embrace it past the point it might have made a difference, as in Syria, or helping overthrow a government without any plan for the day after, as in Libya.
 

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He was lying. He had nothing to do with it. I only wish he was president in 2000.....Iraq war never happens.

The only person in the world who can authorize the withdrawal of US troops from a combat zone is the President of the United States. Obama did this, Obama said it was a good idea, Obama bragged about his actions.

You are an utter dumb fuck and terrible liar (because you have a low IQ).
 

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Thank you, Mr. President:

[h=1]ISIS destroys Iraq's oldest Christian monastery, satellite photos confirm[/h]
St. Elijah's Monastery stood as a place of worship for 1,400 years, including most recently for U.S. troops. In earlier millennia, generations of monks tucked candles in the niches, prayed in the chapel, worshipped at the altar. The Greek letters chi and rho, representing the first two letters of Christ's name, were carved near the entrance.

This month, at the request of the AP, satellite imagery firm DigitalGlobe tasked a high resolution camera to grab photos of the site, and then pulled earlier images of the same spot.

Before it was razed, a partially restored, 27,000-square-foot stone and mortar building stood fortress-like on a hill above Mosul.
 

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Syria, Iraq, and Libya are utter disasters with massive humanitarian crises due to this incompetent pile of shit in the Oval Office.

What a disgraceful legacy.
 

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Thank You, Mr. President:

Americans missing in Baghdad kidnapped by Iran-backed militia


Three U.S. citizens who disappeared last week in Baghdad were kidnapped and are being held by an Iranian-backed Shi'ite militia, two Iraqi intelligence and two U.S. government sources said on Tuesday.


This is what happens Obama does unequal prisoner exchanges. Obama encourages kidnappings.

This is what happens when Obama gives 150 billion to Iran to support terrorism. Obama encourages terrorism

This is what happens because Obama allows the capturing and humiliation of US sailors, Obama exudes weakness.


This what happens when Obama releases prisoners from Gitmo. The message is. once you are captured , you will be at some future date you will be released . so you can continue terrorist activity.
 

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