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Plenty of conferences would take Oklahoma, but they don't want Oklahoma State. As long as Oklahoma holds on to the "we are not going anywhere without OSU" mantra, it might be difficult to get a good deal.
Sounds like a few Oklahoma politicians need to be taken out back and shot.
 

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Not if they are the doormat of the SEC. Kids want to win. You think kids will go to a school that is the laughing stock of the SEC? This will only make Texas's recruitment of kids in Texas easier.

I'm telling you that A&M is nailing the nails in their own coffin should they make this decision. It's so stupid on their part.


Personally don't think that would happen (Vandy has that doormat title glued down), but you as a Big 12 guy might know a little more about the program. I see them playing the role of a Arky, SC, & Miss programs. May not be a contender every year, but could have some good years. I do think if they could get a little mojo going in the SEC, they could recruit out of Texas well. There style of play fits the SEC well also. I would like to have them as well as FSU join. Clemson would fit very well also.
 

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Personally don't think that would happen (Vandy has that doormat title glued down), but you as a Big 12 guy might know a little more about the program. I see them playing the role of a Arky, SC, & Miss programs. May not be a contender every year, but could have some good years. I do think if they could get a little mojo going in the SEC, they could recruit out of Texas well. There style of play fits the SEC well also. I would like to have them as well as FSU join. Clemson would fit very well also.

Very good point right there . . . .
 

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I guarantee that once the Super Conferences get set in place, the recruiting will become more and more diluted as the years go by, and spread among the other schools. You'll never see the same one or two teams dominating a conference year after year again like we've seen in the past. Texas A&M will have as good a chance as any down the line when they've been in the conference a few years, and after they hire themselves a better coach..
 

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I guarantee that once the Super Conferences get set in place, the recruiting will become more and more diluted as the years go by, and spread among the other schools. You'll never see the same one or two teams dominating a conference year after year again like we've seen in the past. Texas A&M will have as good a chance as any down the line when they've been in the conference a few years, and after they hire themselves a better coach..

Good point GS.

If you look at this whole thing from a super conference perspective, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. What it also changes is the allure of going to the SEC. Right now, A&M is hanging their hats on getting kids to A&M just because "we're in the SEC, look at us". Well, if the entire landscape changes in 4-5 years, and there's 4 to 5 superconferences, which we all agree is going to happen, then A&M is once again making the wrong decision. Why not COMPETE for championships in the Big XII for 4 more years, then see what happens and make a good decision then? Hell, the SEC, in 4 or 5 years when Superconferences appear, might not look all that appealing if you add these teams to a Superconference:

Oklahoma
Texas
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Notre Dame
Arkansas
Missouri
Houston
Baylor


A&M would fit in pretty damned good in this conference wouldn't it?
 

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Two teams the SEC has wanted all along are A&M and Oklahoma.

Don't count the Sooners out just yet.
 

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Good point GS.

If you look at this whole thing from a super conference perspective, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. What it also changes is the allure of going to the SEC. Right now, A&M is hanging their hats on getting kids to A&M just because "we're in the SEC, look at us". Well, if the entire landscape changes in 4-5 years, and there's 4 to 5 superconferences, which we all agree is going to happen, then A&M is once again making the wrong decision. Why not COMPETE for championships in the Big XII for 4 more years, then see what happens and make a good decision then? Hell, the SEC, in 4 or 5 years when Superconferences appear, might not look all that appealing if you add these teams to a Superconference:

Oklahoma
Texas
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Notre Dame
Arkansas
Missouri
Houston
Baylor


A&M would fit in pretty damned good in this conference wouldn't it?
I think the new Big 12 Lite will look closer to this:


Oklahoma
Texas
Abilene Christian
Baylor
Missouri
Okie St.
Texas St.
Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
 

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Good point GS.

If you look at this whole thing from a super conference perspective, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. What it also changes is the allure of going to the SEC. Right now, A&M is hanging their hats on getting kids to A&M just because "we're in the SEC, look at us". Well, if the entire landscape changes in 4-5 years, and there's 4 to 5 superconferences, which we all agree is going to happen, then A&M is once again making the wrong decision. Why not COMPETE for championships in the Big XII for 4 more years, then see what happens and make a good decision then? Hell, the SEC, in 4 or 5 years when Superconferences appear, might not look all that appealing if you add these teams to a Superconference:

Oklahoma
Texas
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Notre Dame
Arkansas
Missouri
Houston
Baylor


A&M would fit in pretty damned good in this conference wouldn't it?

The allure of the SEC is the fact that there has been 4 different teams win the NC in the past decade. That is twice as many as any other conference. If they keep up that dominance, then it still carries weight. Include the Tennessee BXS title way back when, that gives 5 teams from 1 conference. Not trying to argue the mute point of which conference is better than the others, but IF the SEC continues to succeed it will influence players to come to the best football conference. It would be the same if the Big 12 had the success of the SEC in recent years and say Auburn was to join that conference, then the point to argue would be very similar. Being able to recruit in the hot bed of the south east while playing in a proven conference, correct? I disagree with GS statement of diluting to recruiting. Big time players want to go to big time schools. Same reason while Texas, OK, USC, and others have been able to keep their high rate of top players while being out of the champion picture in recent years. Its all speculation tho.
 

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I think the new Big 12 Lite will look closer to this:


Oklahoma
Texas
Abilene Christian
Baylor
Missouri
Okie St.
Texas St.
Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.

Abilene Christian (ACU) is too strong for the Big XII.

You gotta know that the SEC is snikering in the corner at the thought of being able to get A&M to come to their conference. This will be an absolute nightmare that A&M is about to place themselves into. Unbelievable. I actually didn't think A&M was stupid enough to make this move.
 

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Hell, the SEC, in 4 or 5 years when Superconferences appear, might not look all that appealing if you add these teams to a Superconference:

Oklahoma
Texas
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Notre Dame
Arkansas
Missouri
Houston
Baylor


A&M would fit in pretty damned good in this conference wouldn't it?

JB, I was going to comment more on everything you said... but there is no point.

1. Houston and Baylor in the conference is not my idea of a superconference.
2. What happens to TCU when Patterson leaves? I am guessing they are not as strong
3. Notre Dame is pretty damn far away geographically from most that you mentioned.
4. No matter how much you win you are not going to recruit players with this schedule. You might as well play in the C-USA if kids only want to win. (I modified GS schedule for the new Big12)

September 8 Rice
September 15 Idaho
September 22 Florida Atlantic
October 6 at Oklahoma ( Dallas)
October 13 Iowa State
October 20 Oklahoma St
October 27 Middle Tenn St
November 3 Kansas State
November 10 SMU
November 17 Baylor
November 22 Houston
December 1 Texas Tech
December 28 Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl TBA
 

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JB, you gotta get over yourself, the big 12 is dead man walking, TCU has a K with the Big East and ND isn't joining the Big 12 ... hoping OU joins the PAC 14/16
 

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Good point GS.

If you look at this whole thing from a super conference perspective, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. What it also changes is the allure of going to the SEC. Right now, A&M is hanging their hats on getting kids to A&M just because "we're in the SEC, look at us". Well, if the entire landscape changes in 4-5 years, and there's 4 to 5 superconferences, which we all agree is going to happen, then A&M is once again making the wrong decision. Why not COMPETE for championships in the Big XII for 4 more years, then see what happens and make a good decision then? Hell, the SEC, in 4 or 5 years when Superconferences appear, might not look all that appealing if you add these teams to a Superconference:

Oklahoma
Texas
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Notre Dame
Arkansas
Missouri
Houston
Baylor


A&M would fit in pretty damned good in this conference wouldn't it?

The Big Ten would shit their pants if Notre Dame ever went to another conference other than theirs. They have been courting Notre Dame forever.
 

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Good point GS.

If you look at this whole thing from a super conference perspective, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. What it also changes is the allure of going to the SEC. Right now, A&M is hanging their hats on getting kids to A&M just because "we're in the SEC, look at us". Well, if the entire landscape changes in 4-5 years, and there's 4 to 5 superconferences, which we all agree is going to happen, then A&M is once again making the wrong decision. Why not COMPETE for championships in the Big XII for 4 more years, then see what happens and make a good decision then? Hell, the SEC, in 4 or 5 years when Superconferences appear, might not look all that appealing if you add these teams to a Superconference:

Oklahoma
Texas
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Notre Dame
Arkansas
Missouri
Houston
Baylor


A&M would fit in pretty damned good in this conference wouldn't it?
Hasn't TCU committed to playing the the Big Least? Why would Notre Dame not join the BigTen if they were joining a conference? A&M will get more money from the SEC because the SEC will use the addition to their conference to renegotiate their current TV contracts with ESPN and CBS. Hence, it's one of the reasons they want to expand. It gives them the right to renegotiate the contract.
 

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The attraction of A&M to the SEC is good on both sides. What it also does is bring the SEC teams into Texas to recruit more athletes. I think it will be interesting to see how the likes of UT react when they are having to recruit the way SEC teams recruit...See Cam Newton and various others. In addition, Mack Brown won't be around forever. There was a rough patch of coaches when DKR left the program. David McWilliams, etc. I think the addition to the SEC helps Arkansas and LSU immediately for recruiting. LSU recruits So Texas very well. Always have. It will open up more of the state to them, and also open up the New Orleans/Baton Rouge area to A&M
 

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Neither TCU or SMU belong in a bigtime conference. They are small private schools with small stadiums and small alumni bases. They are a joke when we're talking about a major BCS conference. I know TCU has it going on right now. But once they start playing a real schedule, they ain't going to look as good, I promise you. And like was said earlier, Patterson won't be there forever. SMU and TCU will NEVER make up for Nebraska and Texas A&M. The Big 12 is getting lighter in the age of expanding. In the business world this would be considered the kiss of death.
 

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jblonghorn, really?

I've written here before regarding your posts, but they just wreak of hatred for A&M regardless of the issue. That's all well and good, I'm in no way bothered or offended by that, but your hatred has blinded you and prevents you from making sound arguements. A&M appears to be moving on while the opportunity best presents itself, to the best football conference in the country.

While the LHN and its surrounding terms are certainly a factor, it's much bigger than that. The fact you want to make it all about UT and continue post after post to degrade A&M at every turn is quite narrow minded and petty. I don't expect you to wish us well and I realize you need an avenue to vent, but this is not a recruiting matter. It's not a "big/little brother" matter as hard as you will it to be.

It has to do with a University moving on to greener pastures, and entire athletic dept. moving on. Sure, we'll take our lumps early on in football. Naive not to think so despite the fact the program is on the rise. Other programs will compete well right away. This is a long term decision, in the best financial interest of the University. Season ticket sales will increase, donations will increase, and an overall energized fan base that gets to road trip to Oxford, Baton Rouge, Athens, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, etc. won't miss Aimes, Manhatten, Lawrence...
 

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The attraction of A&M to the SEC is good on both sides. What it also does is bring the SEC teams into Texas to recruit more athletes. I think it will be interesting to see how the likes of UT react when they are having to recruit the way SEC teams recruit...See Cam Newton and various others. In addition, Mack Brown won't be around forever. There was a rough patch of coaches when DKR left the program. David McWilliams, etc. I think the addition to the SEC helps Arkansas and LSU immediately for recruiting. LSU recruits So Texas very well. Always have. It will open up more of the state to them, and also open up the New Orleans/Baton Rouge area to A&M
This is exactly what I was talking about. Expansion brings new schools recruiting into new territories, including your own. Like it or not, they're going to steal one or two of those 4 and 5 star players that would have given your team more depth and talent. And eventually those other teams will get stronger, and the big kid on the block starts becoming more cyclical, with more teams getting a chance to win the conference. I think the super conference idea will bring much more conference parity to college football. Which is a good thing in my opinion.
 

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I've written here before regarding your posts, but they just wreak of hatred for A&M regardless of the issue. That's all well and good, I'm in no way bothered or offended by that, but your hatred has blinded you and prevents you from making sound arguements. A&M appears to be moving on while the opportunity best presents itself, to the best football conference in the country.

While the LHN and its surrounding terms are certainly a factor, it's much bigger than that. The fact you want to make it all about UT and continue post after post to degrade A&M at every turn is quite narrow minded and petty. I don't expect you to wish us well and I realize you need an avenue to vent, but this is not a recruiting matter. It's not a "big/little brother" matter as hard as you will it to be.

It has to do with a University moving on to greener pastures, and entire athletic dept. moving on. Sure, we'll take our lumps early on in football. Naive not to think so despite the fact the program is on the rise. Other programs will compete well right away. This is a long term decision, in the best financial interest of the University. Season ticket sales will increase, donations will increase, and an overall energized fan base that gets to road trip to Oxford, Baton Rouge, Athens, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, etc. won't miss Aimes, Manhatten, Lawrence...

Good post. Where is Aimes?
 

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Larry Scott will extend an olive branch to Texas and forgive them, their K with ESPN can be renegotiated, PAC 16 should happen OU OSU UT and TTech in the eastern division with Utah CU ASU and U of A ... done all is forgiven, one super-conference set ... gl
 

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