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T.W. has never allowed MORE than 90 walks in a season.

That surprised me some.

In 2,162 innings lifetime, only 870 total bases on balls..............not a bad ratio considering how many times a knuckleballer has control problems.
 
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Knuckleballer Tim Wakefield gets two-year, $5M deal
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By John Tomase | Tuesday, November 10, 2009 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Boston Red Sox
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<!--//article Image//--><!--//article//-->Tim Wakefield has one of the most hallowed Red Sox [team stats] records in his sights, and now he has two years to break it.
The Sox yesterday signed the 43-year-old knuckleballer to a two-year, $5 million deal that replaces his perpetual $4 million option and all but guarantees he will finish his career in the uniform he has worn since 1995.
Speaking from his Florida home last night, Wakefield said he was “ecstatic” about the contract, which gives him peace of mind as he rehabs from back surgery.
“For me, it was never about the money,” he said. “It was about being treated fairly and remaining a Red Sox for the rest of my career, and now I can say that’s going to happen.”
Wakefield potentially took a pay cut, since his 2010 and 2011 options were worth $8 million guaranteed. But with a potential $5 million in bonuses and escalators that could bring the new deal to $10 million, Wakefield will be rewarded financially if he performs.
“I was a little disheartened when I first heard the news they weren’t going to pick up the option and wanted to cut down the guarantee,” Wakefield said. “But after that was settled and we started negotiations on a two-year deal I thought, ‘OK, this is actually probably a better deal for me.’ It’s a performance-based contract, which I completely understand on their end, since I have not been healthy the last four years.”
Wakefield feels healthy now, three weeks removed from back surgery. His surgeon told him there’s only a 6 percent chance he’ll experience a recurrence of the disc problems that plagued him this year.
“I feel phenomenal,” he said. “As soon as I got the grogginess out of my system from the anesthesia, I was doing laps around the nurses’ station. I feel good. I’m not limping around. There’s no more pain shooting down my leg, calf, hamstring and hip. I’m working to regain the strength I lost in my leg.”
Wakefield is now positioned to challenge Roger Clemens and Cy Young, who share the Sox career record with 192 victories. Wakefield has 175 with the Red Sox, 189 overall.
“He’s justifiably proud of where he ranks,” GM Theo Epstein said. “He wants to end his career in a Red Sox uniform, and that’s something we’d like to see as well. And for us, the finances made a lot of sense.”
Wakefield recognizes this probably is his last deal.
“After this two-year deal’s up, I probably won’t play anymore,” he said. “It gets me to 45. It gives me an opportunity to break Roger Clemens’ and Cy Young’s record. It gives me a chance to get to 200 wins career-wise. That’s what I’m most excited about. They understand it, and they’re giving me an opportunity to get it done.”
 
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considering how many times a knuckleballer has control problems.

BB/9
Dutch Leonard: 2.1
Ted Lyons: 2.4
Wilbur Wood: 2.4
Tom Candiotti: 2.9
Phil Niekro 3.0
Hoyt Wilhelm: 3.1
Joe Niekro: 3.2
Tim Wakefield: 3.4
Charlie Hough: 3.9

Obviously league wide walk rates have changed drastically throughout history, but the guys from 50 years ago were among the very best control pitchers in the league. Wood, Candiotti and Niekro had multiple years in the top 10, Wakefield zero

It may be true that the pitch is hard to control, but the only way a pitcher can survive a long career if they throw the knucklball a lot is to have great control. And among all those pitchers Wakefield is near the bottom in control. Of course, near the bottom on that list is still not too bad
 
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http://www.oddball-mall.com/knuckleball/list.htm

Others I didn't know about: Cicotte, Fitzsimmons, Purkey and Rommel, all much better walk rates than Wakefield, even when adjusted for league average. And check out Shantz, used the pitch, though not as much as the others on the list. But his walk rate improved considerably after he added it

If anything the suprising thing is that Wakefield has been able to survive 17 years and 400 starts without such great control while relying so heavily on the knuckleball
 
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 15px">Red Sox Notes: What to do with Wakefield?</TD><TD style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">01.15.10 at 8:43 am ET</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
By Alex Speier
Red Sox manager Terry Francona, prior to the Boston Baseball Writers Dinner on Thursday, said that he has not considered putting Tim Wakefield in the bullpen. Even though the rotation would currently appear to run five deep with Jon Lester, Josh Beckett, John Lackey, Daisuke Matsuzaka and Clay Buchholz, the days when the knuckleballer would be hustled into a relief role seem like a thing of the past.
“I haven’t thought about that a lot. He’s a starter,” said Francona. “How that slots out, we don’t know yet.”
That said, Francona didn’t have a blueprint for Wakefield. He avoided committing to a timetable for the pitcher’s start to the season, though he did put the knuckleballer in a separate category from John Smoltz (in 2009) and Wade Miller (in ’05), pitchers who were held back by months at the start of the season.
“I would be surprised if he’s real far behind, if any,” said Francona.
 
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The Ten Best Knuckleball Pitchers of All Time. (According to Nick Mayer)

August 6th. 2009 by writer Nick Mayer of AC - Associated Content....

Hitters hate the knuckleball. This is a given. Fans seem to hate it too, but why? The knuckleball is a great pitch that is used to throw hitters off of what is usually thrown at them. Though the knuckleball is one of the toughest pitches to perfect, here are the top 10 knuckleball
pitchers to ever play the game.

1. Eddie Cicotte - Though he is mostly famous, or in this case infamous, for his participation in the 1919 Chicago Black Sox scandal. He was banned from ever playing in the MLB again. He loses a lot of respect from this, but his knuckleball is still the best that has ever been. Considered by many to be the inventor of the knuckleball, he posted a 208-149 career record with a 2.38 ERA.

2. Phil Niekro - Having over 300 wins in the MLB instantly grants you a pass into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Niekro did this while using the knuckleball. He had a total of 318 wins over his career with a 3.35 ERA. Not only was he one of the best knuckleball pitchers of all time, he was also one of the best pitchers of all time too.

3. Hoyt Wilhelm - Wilhelm has to be the best relief knuckleball pitcher of all time. He recorded 227 saves in his entire career and also had 143 wins to go along with it. Though he did have a few stints as a starter, he will always be remembered for his great closing work.

4. Tim Wakefield - Tim Wakefield is the most current knuckleball pitchers on this list. Playing his whole career in Boston, aside from his two years in PIttsburgh, he is easily the most recognizable name on this list. Though his ERA is above 4.00 and he doesn't have the greatest statistics, he is still one of the best knuckleball pitchers of all time. (189-162 W/L Record).

5. Ted Lyons - Ted Lyons has some of the most astonishing statistics on this list of best knuckleball pitchers ever. Out of his 484 starts, he completed 356 of them. In 1927, he threw for over 300 innnings in the regular season. Now, it is a great feat to record just 200 innings in a single season.

6. Joe Niekro - Niekro does not have any astonishing statistics or great accomplishments, he was just a solid pitcher during his career. He posted 221 wins in his career and finished his career with a 3.59 ERA.

7. Charlie Hough - Hough threw for over 3800 innings in his entire career. He pitched for 25 years in the Major League. Though he never had an outstanding season, Hough had a very consistent career in which you knew what you were getting out of him.

8. Wilbur Wood - Wood, in 1972, threw for an amazing 376.2 innings. He was easily one of the best knuckleball pitchers in the game and with a longer career, he could have easily been in the top 5 knucklers of all
time.

9. Jesse Haines - Over his career, Haines won 210 games and threw many shutouts. 208 to be exact. Haines led the Cardinals with his outstanding knuckleball all throughout the 1920's and 30's.

10. Tom Candotti - Though his stats were never that great, Candotti had one of the better careers for knuckleball pitchers. He threw for 151 wins and posted a 3.73 ERA over his career.

All statistics used in this article were obtained from ESPN.com
 
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Wakefield has been a great success story for baseball...and has stood the test of time. He almost washed out before he made it w/ the knuckleball and the Pirates. He worked at a surf shop during the off season.

200 career wins in this day and age is amazing. I've read several times that there will likely not be ANY more 300 game winners after the recent collection of older pitchers retire.

Which current pitchers look like they may make it to 300?

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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...kefield-have-a-tough-time-making-the-red-sox/

Could Tim Wakefield have a tough time making the Red Sox?

D.J. Short
Mar 19, 2011, 11:12 AM EDT



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Tim Wakefield gave up six runs on seven hits — including four home runs in the span of six batters– over three innings in last night’s loss to the Rays.
Ugly, yes, but normally we’d say no big deal. Sometimes the knuckleball dances just right and sometimes it doesn’t. It’s nothing Red Sox fans haven’t seen in his 16 previous years with the club.
But the outing takes on added importance in light of Terry Francona’s comments earlier in the day. According to Evan Drellich of MLB.com, Francona offered no assurances that the 44-year-old would make the Opening Day roster.
“We’re going to have some interesting decisions to make here come this last week,” the Red Sox manager said.
The main issue is that Alfredo Aceves has emerged as a reasonable alternative for the bullpen. The 29-year-old right-hander is back to full health and capable of starting or relieving. Meanwhile, Wakefield is coming off his worst season since 1993 and looked uncomfortable in a swingman role.
Of course, Wakefield has his advantages in this situation. He remains a fan favorite and is under contract for $2 million this season. And while Aceves has impressed this spring by posting a 3.48 ERA over 10 1/3 innings, he has options remaining and could open the season as a starter with Triple-A Pawtucket. In turn, two club sources told Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com that Wakefield’s spot in the bullpen is safe. I have my doubts about whether he’ll last the whole season with the club, but logic says he’ll at least be there come Opening Day.
 
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Why you shouldn't underestimate the value of Tim Wakefield to the Red Sox..

PORT CHARLOTTE, Fla. -- It would be easy to use Friday's events to paint the picture that is Tim Wakefield's future.

Red Sox manager Terry Francona says in the morning that the construction of the bullpen will involve some "interesting decisions." Then, 10 hours later, Wakefield walks off the mound having allowed six runs -- including four home runs -- in his three innings of work against the Rays.

But if we've learned anything from Wakefield's 19 seasons as a major-league baseball player it is that he should never, ever be judged by one day. Twelve times in his career he has allowed six or more runs in three or fewer innings (including three times in a pretty respectable 2008 season), and here he still is.

"Nothing," said Wakefield regarding what the spring training start against Tampa Bay meant. "I'm just trying to get my pitch count up. I would have liked to do it in more than three innings, but it didn't happen."

And he's right.

With or without the last 24 hours, Wakefield remains the same -- a potentially very valuable piece of the Red Sox' 2011 puzzle.

To help clarify the reality that is the 44-year-old's current lot in life, we turn to Evan Longoria, one of the four Rays' players to launch long balls against Wakefield in the Sox' 7-3 loss.

Longoria's solo homer (which was immediately followed by Manny Ramirez' moon-shot to left) came in his second at-bat. It was the first go-round between the pitcher and the batter which offered the most important message.

"My first at-bat all you can really do is laugh," Longoria said. "He threw three of the best ones I had seen from him. And the one that I hit was a good pitch, too. I just swung the bat in the right spot."

Later, the Tampa Bay third baseman (who, by the way, is a 6-for-13 in his career against Wakefield) continued his marvel at those initial three offerings from the Red Sox' starter.

"The three today were probably the best I've seen, for strikes," Longoria said of the knuckleballs. "And all three did something different. You just can't prepare for it."

The point? Forget age. Forget role. You have a hitter saying that the pitcher he had faced numerous times was at his absolute best. Of course, the perception changed from inning to inning. But that downward spiral didn't have anything to do with age, but rather the fickleness of the pitcher's primary weapon.

For the first time in forever Wakefield's presence may appear different because the regular season will begin without his name in the starting rotation, but, let's be honest, has anything else changed?

Is there any evidence that Wakefield is significantly less of a pitcher than he was while marching toward his first All-Star Game appearance, in '09? (And, again, don't bother using Friday's outing in your argument.)

"I feel like I've been throwing the ball very, very well," Wakefield said. "Better than some springs in the past, with the exception of today."

More times than not, Wakefield can get outs better than 50 percent of the starters in majors. That is hard to dispute. Where the next round of debate comes from is how exactly he fits on this Red Sox team.

Barring a late-spring training injury to one of the Red Sox' scheduled five starters, Wakefield will have to start his season in the bullpen. The plan right now, according to Francona, is to have the knuckleballer throw as a starter one more time -- in a minor-league game Thursday -- before scaling back into reliever mode.

This isn't any surprise to Wakefield. He knew this was a possibility, having filled the role of a reliever 13 times in '10. And while some of the appearances seemed square-peg-in-round-hole-ish, it should be noted that his numbers out of the bullpen weren't all that bad. In 25 relief innings he finished with a 3.60 ERA, while limiting hitters to a .253 batting average and .281 on-base percentage.

Comparisons? Bobby Jenks: 4.44 ERA, .260 BAA, .322 OBP; Jonathan Papelbon: 3.90 ERA, .226 BAA, .309 OBP; Scott Atchison: 4.50 ERA, .252 BAA, .310 OBP; Matt Albers: 4.52, .269 BAA, .360 OBP.

So, despite some lines of thinking, Wakefield could actually serve a purpose in the bullpen, especially now that the catching corps, from top to bottom, seems at least somewhat comfortable handling the knuckleball.

But even if Wakefield is viewed as sitting in the last seat in the Sox' pen, it should be understood that his ability to start for weeks at a time should be valued more than the least-used member of the bullpen.

Why would you want to sacrifice not having Wakefield's presence? The naysayers will suggest that somebody like Alfredo Aceves is a better option on the Red Sox' roster than Wakefield, pointing to the former Yankee hurler's proven effectiveness out of the bullpen. But there a few things those folks might want to consider.

First, Aceves has options. The Red Sox' can send him to the minors, keep monitoring his health and effectiveness, while watching their roster go through the normal early-season evolution.

Then there is the scenario which leads the Red Sox to needing a pitcher to start for an extended period of time. While more than a few point to Aceves as that sort of fill-in, understand that the righty hasn't started more than 23 games in any of his professional seasons, and that number was reached mostly as a minor-leaguer in '08. In the majors Aceves has started a grand total of five games.

And the other alternatives currently residing in the Sox' camp simply don't approach Wakefield's viability when it comes to being part of a big league rotation.

Any one of the five Red Sox starters get hurt tomorrow and Wakefield could step in and win more games than he would lose. That is the kind of sixth-starter option most teams would never sacrifice for the sake of bullpen depth.

"I don't think past tomorrow, to be honest with you," Wakefield said. "Whenever I'm called upon I try and get outs. Whether it's in relief or as a starter, I'll do my best when I'm asked. I can't think about, 'I'm going to get 20 starts, this year, for sure.' There are no guarantees. I'm just trying to get prepared for Opening Day and we'll see what happens after that."

The only thing that is predictable is that at some point Wakefield should find himself in a familiar spot -- coming to the rescue of the Red Sox.

Rob Bradford

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I hope he makes the roster....

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