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<NYT_HEADLINE version="1.0" type=" ">State Dept. Says It Warned About bin Laden in 1996

</NYT_HEADLINE><NYT_BYLINE version="1.0" type=" ">By ERIC LICHTBLAU
</NYT_BYLINE><NYT_TEXT>WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - State Department analysts warned the Clinton administration in July 1996 that Osama bin Laden's move to Afghanistan would give him an even more dangerous haven as he sought to expand radical Islam "well beyond the Middle East," but the government chose not to deter the move, newly declassified documents show.

In what would prove a prescient warning, the State Department intelligence analysts said in a top-secret assessment on Mr. bin Laden that summer that "his prolonged stay in Afghanistan - where hundreds of 'Arab mujahedeen' receive terrorist training and key extremist leaders often congregate - could prove more dangerous to U.S. interests in the long run than his three-year liaison with Khartoum," in Sudan.

The declassified documents, obtained by the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch as part of a Freedom of Information Act request and provided to The New York Times, shed light on a murky and controversial chapter in Mr. bin Laden's history: his relocation from Sudan to Afghanistan as the Clinton administration was striving to understand the threat he posed and explore ways of confronting him.

Before 1996, Mr. bin Laden was regarded more as a financier of terrorism than a mastermind. But the State Department assessment, which came a year before he publicly urged Muslims to attack the United States, indicated that officials suspected he was taking a more active role, including in the bombings in June 1996 that killed 19 members American soldiers at the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.

Two years after the State Department's warning, with Mr. bin Laden firmly entrenched in Afghanistan and overseeing terrorist training and financing operations, Al Qaeda struck two American embassies in East Africa, leading to failed military attempts by the Clinton administration to capture or kill him in Afghanistan. Three years later, on Sept. 11, 2001, Al Qaeda struck the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in an operation overseen from the base in Afghanistan.

Critics of the Clinton administration have accused it of ignoring the threat posed by Mr. bin Laden in the mid-1990's while he was still in Sudan, and they point to claims by some Sudanese officials that they offered to turn him over to the Americans before ultimately expelling him in 1996 under international pressure. But Clinton administration diplomats have adamantly denied that they received such an offer, and the Sept. 11 commission concluded in one of its staff reports that it had "not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim."

The newly declassified documents do not directly address the question of whether Sudan ever offered to turn over Mr. bin Laden. But the documents go well beyond previous news and historical accounts in detailing the Clinton administration's active monitoring of Mr. bin Laden's movements and the realization that his move to Afghanistan could make him an even greater national security threat.

Several former senior officials in the Clinton administration did not return phone calls this week seeking comment on the newly declassified documents.

Adam Ereli, a spokesman for the State Department, said the documents should be viewed in the context of what was happening globally in 1996, rather than in the hindsight of events after the Sept. 11 attacks.

In 1996, Mr. Ereli said, "the question was getting him out of Sudan."

"The priority was to deny him safe haven, period, and to disrupt his activities any way you could," he continued. "There was a lot we didn't know, and the priority was to keep him on the run, keep him on guard, and try to maximize the opportunities to nail him."

Before the East Africa bombings in 1998, however, Mr. bin Laden "wasn't recognized then as the threat he is now," Mr. Ereli said. "Yes, he was a bad guy, he was a threat, but he was one of many, and by no means of the prominence that he later came to be."

The State Department assessment, written July 18, 1996, after Mr. bin Laden had been expelled from Sudan and was thought to be relocating to Afghanistan, said Afghanistan would make an "ideal haven" for Mr. bin Laden to run his financial networks and attract support from radicalized Muslims. Moreover, his wealth, his personal plane and many passports "allow him considerable freedom to travel with little fear of being intercepted or tracked," and his public statements suggested an "emboldened" man capable of "increased terrorism," the assessment said.

While a strategy of keeping Mr. bin Laden on the run could "inconvenience" him, the assessment said, "even a bin Laden on the move can retain the capability to support individuals and groups who have the motive and wherewithal to attack U.S. interests almost world-wide."

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, said the declassified material released to his group "says to me that the Clinton administration knew the broad outlines in 1996 of bin Laden's capabilities and his intent, and unfortunately, almost nothing was done about it."

Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group, was highly critical of President Clinton during his two terms in office. The group has also been critical of some Bush administration actions after the Sept. 11 attacks, releasing documents in March that detailed government efforts to facilitate flights out of the United States for dozens of well-connected Saudis just days after the attacks.

Michael F. Scheuer, who from 1996 to 1999 led the Central Intelligence Agency unit that tracked Mr. bin Laden, said the State Department documents reflected a keen awareness of the danger posed by Mr. bin Laden's relocation.

"The analytical side of the State Department had it exactly right - that's genius analysis," he said in an interview when told of the declassified documents. But Mr. Scheuer, who wrote a book in 2004 titled "Imperial Hubris," under the pseudonym "Anonymous," that was highly critical of American counterterrorism strategies, said many officials in the C.I.A.'s operational side thought they would have a better chance to kill Mr. bin Laden in Afghanistan than they did in Sudan because the Sudan government protected him.

"The thinking was that he was in Afghanistan, and he was dangerous, but because he was there, we had a better chance to kill him," Mr. Scheuer said. "But at the end of the day, we settled for the worst possibility - he was there and we didn't do anything."


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Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group, was highly critical of President Clinton during his two terms in office. The group has also been critical of some Bush administration actions after the Sept. 11 attacks, releasing documents in March that detailed government efforts to facilitate flights out of the United States for dozens of well-connected Saudis just days after the attacks.

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does michael moore work for judicial watch?
 
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Too funny ....

what is next ?? Quotes from the National Enquirer ??

Get a life and get off that crack pipe ya share with GWB
 

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So here's a couple questions for you RW: Why didn't all you Republicans criticze Clinton back in 96 for not attacking Afghanistan?

Instead, if I recall correctly most of the right wing was steadily criticizing the Clinton Admin for interfering in other countries and nation-building in Bosnia. And when Clinton launched missiles in Khartoum (admittedly ineffective), it was more jeering of "Wag the Dog". Instead of dismissing the efforts, don't you think the right wing should have been clamoring to intensify the attacks against Bin Laden? Can you show me where Rush, or Newt or any of your right wing demagouges advocated that?

Surely, if Clinton was so remiss in 96, than Bush's first order of business when he took office would be to get after Bin Laden in Afghanistan, right? ...instead of waiting for America to be attacked...
 

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So here's a couple questions for you RW: Why didn't all you Republicans criticze Clinton back in 96 for not attacking Afghanistan?

Instead, if I recall correctly most of the right wing was steadily criticizing the Clinton Admin for interfering in other countries and nation-building in Bosnia. And when Clinton launched missiles in Khartoum (admittedly ineffective), it was more jeering of "Wag the Dog". Instead of dismissing the efforts, don't you think the right wing should have been clamoring to intensify the attacks against Bin Laden? Can you show me where Rush, or Newt or any of your right wing demagouges advocated that?

Surely, if Clinton was so remiss in 96, than Bush's first order of business when he took office would be to get after Bin Laden in Afghanistan, right? ...instead of waiting for America to be attacked...

remember these quotes?

Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia:





"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)




Funny thing is, we won that war without a single killed in action
 
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doc mercer said:
Too funny ....

what is next ?? Quotes from the National Enquirer ??

Get a life and get off that crack pipe ya share with GWB

Uhmm Doc did you read the part that said the Documents were provided to the NY Times? That's were I read this article.
 
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mudbone said:
So here's a couple questions for you RW: Why didn't all you Republicans criticze Clinton back in 96 for not attacking Afghanistan?

Instead, if I recall correctly most of the right wing was steadily criticizing the Clinton Admin for interfering in other countries and nation-building in Bosnia. And when Clinton launched missiles in Khartoum (admittedly ineffective), it was more jeering of "Wag the Dog". Instead of dismissing the efforts, don't you think the right wing should have been clamoring to intensify the attacks against Bin Laden? Can you show me where Rush, or Newt or any of your right wing demagouges advocated that?

Surely, if Clinton was so remiss in 96, than Bush's first order of business when he took office would be to get after Bin Laden in Afghanistan, right? ...instead of waiting for America to be attacked...

Because in 1996 we Didn't have this declassified Document. The American Public know little of Osama Bin Laden. Apparantly our President at the time did NOT do everything he could have.
 
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919 said:
remember these quotes?

Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia:







"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)





Funny thing is, we won that war without a single killed in action

I'm confused 919, what EXACTLY was the US interest in Bosnia?

Hell you guy bitch about Iraq, there is a Hell of a lot more of a Direct Link to US interset there than there ever was in Bosnia.
 

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koidog said:
Because in 1996 we Didn't have this declassified Document. The American Public know little of Osama Bin Laden. Apparantly our President at the time did NOT do everything he could have.

Koi,

That explanation would be comical if it wasn't so tragic in its consequence. Noted National Security expert and Republican Admin employee, Richard Clarke details in great length how the Bush Admin continually ignored his pleadings to take the threat from Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and Afghanistan seriously. While Bush was on his record vacation in Crawford, Tx a whopping 8 months after he came into office in August of 2001 where he was briefed with the infamous "Al Qaeda determined to attack america" daily briefing, what measures did they take?

In other words, let's not blame the Bushies who were on point 8 months prior to the attack and the time that it occurred, let's go all the way back to 1996 and pin it on clinton.

You and your right wing brothers are on the wrong side of history and no amount of sophistry will ever change the fact that you craven opportunists who citicizede Clinton for attacking Al Qaeda, were backing an Administration who thru ignorance or apathy or a combination of both, were asleep at the wheel on September 11th, 2001. Spin it any way you want but nice try.
 
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Koi,

That explanation would be comical if it wasn't so tragic in its consequence. Noted National Security expert and Republican Admin employee, Richard Clarke details in great length how the Bush Admin continually ignored his pleadings to take the threat from Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and Afghanistan seriously. While Bush was on his record vacation in Crawford, Tx a whopping 8 months after he came into office in August of 2001 where he was briefed with the infamous "Al Qaeda determined to attack america" daily briefing, what measures did they take?

In other words, let's not blame the Bushies who were on point 8 months prior to the attack and the time that it occurred, let's go all the way back to 1996 and pin it on clinton.

You and your right wing brothers are on the wrong side of history and no amount of sophistry will ever change the fact that you craven opportunists who citicizede Clinton for attacking Al Qaeda, were backing an Administration who thru ignorance or apathy or a combination of both, were asleep at the wheel on September 11th, 2001. Spin it any way you want but nice try.

I read the Dick Clarke book..did you? I would say you did NOT because he "detailed" no such thing in his book.

He spent about 40 pages on W. And was most pissed in that Bush didn't meet with him. Dick also explains in how right he was in after the fact info.

BTW, Dick did Detail in abour 2/3 of his book on what and Why Clinton failed time and again. Dick made excuses for the Clinton Failures. Because Clinton MET with him and paid Lip Service to Terror. That is all Dick wanted was to be heard... outcomes did not matter. He was a classic guy we all work with, a guy who wants to meet, and meet and meet, and have plans.... have ideas... but ACTION is irrelevent.

Read the book Mud BEFORE you comment on it.
 

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Koi,


I read the book. It's right here and I can quote you chapter and verse. True, he wanted to have higher level meetings and was turned down many times by the Bushies, no doubt. They didn't take him seriously and on 9/11, a lot of innocent people paid the consequences because your boys were asleep at the wheel.

What in montherfvcking god's existence do you want to dispute?
 

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koidog said:
Because in 1996 we Didn't have this declassified Document. The American Public know little of Osama Bin Laden. Apparantly our President at the time did NOT do everything he could have.

so you are saying bush has done nothing to catch bin laden either?...cause i don't see his picture on the news with the headline "captured"....
 
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I think the Sandy Burger 'incident' should be revisited. At the time (and sill do) find it very very strange why a man like Burger doing what he did.
 

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Sam,

While my posts may be critical of Bush, I certainly am VERY concerned about this incident with Berger. It's mind boggling to me why this hasn't been pursued further and immediate charges brought about.

With that being said - how long did it take to start getting to the bottom of the leaked CIA operative fiaco.

If he broke the law - send him to jail. Sure feeds the "both sides are crooked" thinkers though when the higher ups in the current admin have refused to touch this one so far with a 10' pole.
 
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mudbone said:
Koi,


In other words, let's not blame the Bushies who were on point 8 months prior to the attack and the time that it occurred, let's go all the way back to 1996 and pin it on clinton.

You and your right wing brothers are on the wrong side of history and no amount of sophistry will ever change the fact that you craven opportunists who citicizede Clinton for attacking Al Qaeda, were backing an Administration who thru ignorance or apathy or a combination of both, were asleep at the wheel on September 11th, 2001. Spin it any way you want but nice try.

There is a diffrence in 8 months that bush had, and the 8 YEARS clinton had.
 

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POLYSCIMAJOR,

Do you post that sort of logic when people blame Clinton for the first WTC bombing that occured less than 40 days after taking office?

Just curious
 
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"In his campaign, Bush had said he thought the biggest security issue was Iraq and national missile defense," Clinton remarked. "I told him that in my opinion, the biggest security problem was Osama bin Laden." Clinton maintained that his inability to budge Bush was "one of the two or three of the biggest disappointments that I had."
 
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Limbaugh is a fat, drug filled piece of Low life snake scum!

Limbaugh baselessly compared Cindy Sheehan to Bill Burkett: "Her story is nothing more than forged documents"

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Nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh equated the actions of Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, with those of Bill Burkett, the retired Texas Air National Guard officer who provided CBS' 60 Minutes with unauthenticated documents regarding President Bush's National Guard record. Sheehan is currently staging an anti-war protest outside Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. Limbaugh said that Sheehan's "story is nothing more than forged documents."

Sheehan's "story" is, in fact, that her son died while fighting in Iraq. A Humvee mechanic, Spc. Casey Sheehan was one of seven U.S. soldiers killed in Baghdad's Sadr City on April 4, 2004, by rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire.

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LIMBAUGH: I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left.

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Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh, through his radio syndicator Premiere Radio Networks, sent out a press release titled "Limbaugh Leads the Race Against Liberal Talkers," purportedly comparing his ratings to those of progressive talk stations.

The release lists ratings info for five cities — Austin, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Memphis — for Spring 2005 (March 31 to June 22). In two of those cities, New Orleans and Baton Rouge, the stations that Rush claims he “defeated” didn’t switch to the progressive talk format until July 2005 — after the ratings period in question ended. Two of the other comparisons are also misleading. Rush claims to have won the ratings battle in Austin — but the progressive alternative is a low-watt station that broadcasts not out of Austin, but 20 miles away in bustling Pflugersville, Texas. The same is true of Rush’s performance in San Antonio, where the weaker progressive talk station is actually based in suburban Devine, Texas.



In other words, of the 591 stations on which Limbaugh broadcasts, he chose to highlight four where his “victories” are at best misleading, at worst plain dishonest.



The reality is that in several major markets, ratings for progressive talk are booming. In Denver, Air America’s ratings are up 500% from one year ago. “Seattle’s newly talk-formatted KPTK, doubled in the winter <RATINGS>book, Portland’s KPOJ-AM grew 1000% in audience share. In conservative San Diego, KLSD-AM went up 73%. … Other markets with similar success include: Boston, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Sacramento and Columbus.” Rush is even on the verge of being overtaken in his own home state.

An even more interesting comparison is found when looking at stations with integrated lineups that carry both Rush and a progressive host. In that apples-to-apples comparison, we see that Rush Limbaugh and Ed Schultz are actually very competitive.
 
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mudbone said:
Koi,


I read the book. It's right here and I can quote you chapter and verse. True, he wanted to have higher level meetings and was turned down many times by the Bushies, no doubt. They didn't take him seriously and on 9/11, a lot of innocent people paid the consequences because your boys were asleep at the wheel.

What in montherfvcking god's existence do you want to dispute?

I dispute that he was as prescient as he know claims to be. I dispute the conclusion you draw that he blames Bush, yet in his own book dedicates three times the Pages to terrorist strikes in the Clinton Years.

Dick thought the biggest threat would come Y2K. The reality is he was effectively pushed out by Bush, and hated him.

I read his book, I read the O'Neill book, I read both Woodward books, I saw Michael Moores movie. I did it to get some perspective. Sounds like you need some.
 

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