Well how many timeouts does each get per half??:howdy:
IN other words, what are you talking about? Maybe I dont stay logged on long enough to a sportsbook to see such a thing. 90% of the time, I log onto bodog, etc and have placed my bets within a 4 minute span.
Of course that is after I go to www.covers.com and study the games completely. I assume that most sports betters dont go the same route as me though
IN other words, what are you talking about? Maybe I dont stay logged on long enough to a sportsbook to see such a thing. 90% of the time, I log onto bodog, etc and have placed my bets within a 4 minute span.
Of course that is after I go to www.covers.com and study the games completely. I assume that most sports betters dont go the same route as me though
Books don't have much of a choice. They HAVE to in most cases.
They're protecting themselves. They take away the time-out feature and all of the sudden you have 15 calls a day from idiot degenerates explaining that they access their computer at the local library and someone must have used their account to gamble.
They protect themselves... If I ran a book I'd do it to. Although I wouldn't use stone-age software like EVERY book essentially does and there'd be an option for you to "sign-off" that you are liable for all use on your account and that you'd like the time-out feature disabled.
Unfortunately every book out there is running prehistoric software. Nobody wants to foot the bill to create something modern.
They're protecting themselves. They take away the time-out feature and all of the sudden you have 15 calls a day from idiot degenerates explaining that they access their computer at the local library and someone must have used their account to gamble.
They protect themselves... If I ran a book I'd do it to. Although I wouldn't use stone-age software like EVERY book essentially does and there'd be an option for you to "sign-off" that you are liable for all use on your account and that you'd like the time-out feature disabled.
Unfortunately every book out there is running prehistoric software. Nobody wants to foot the bill to create something modern.
JJ, probably because it's very easy to put in your rules "We are not responsible for any activity which may take place on your account while you are logged in" or something to that extent.
Only problem is then you still get the calls. But for pinnacle they only get emails so I understand why they would do it. Pretty easy to send back the same blanket response to every single "I didn't bet this game you fuksticks" email they get.
Only problem is then you still get the calls. But for pinnacle they only get emails so I understand why they would do it. Pretty easy to send back the same blanket response to every single "I didn't bet this game you fuksticks" email they get.
Fishhead said:
If there are any bookmakers here who care to share some of the emails/calls they get from desperate gamblers who put way too much on that big favorite trying to chase earlier losses.
I bet books get at least a couple calls a day from gamblers insisting that they REALLY didn't make the bet. That they were at the library and someone else who used the computer must have done it. etc.
If any bookmakers are willing to share stories...I Bet there are TONS of them. I remember a bookmaker sharing a story one time that he actually let a guy have a big bet back that he made while he was drunk because he knew he'd get it back eventually.
Timing out has more to do with bandwidth then fraudulent use.....it slows down each individual web site when there are a high volume of players logged in..and a very small number of them actually log out..I agree they could extend the time amount before you are timed out, but they are also protecting thereselves from sharp players always being logged in and beating their lines makers to certain numbers...By making steam players log in and going through all the steps to placing a wager helps their cause!
Absolutely hate timeouts and in the past have presented my thoughts of such, but after a few discussions with different people in the industry have came to realize that it is a necessary pain for me. The books feel they are protecting their exposure and I cannot blame them for trying to keep business going well.
I've weighed in on this before. As a programmer I'm 100% in favor of timeouts. Most players bet and then jump off to another site or close their browser. (Worldrunner, the software I wrote had a prominent sign-off option, but most players didn't use it.)
The ability to track the number of "active" players at any one time is very important for allocating bandwidth and other computer resources.
If a player hasn't made a play or changed screens for 10 minutes, they he's most likely moved on to another site or logged off. If it is a wiseguy waiting to pounce on a line, then the book has no incentive to make his job easier while wasting even more resources keeping open logins for players that did leave.
The only real obligation a book has to the online players is to provide a current line and then honor bets made at that line. Logins and navigation should work quickly and efficiently. However, since 95% of players won't hit a sign-off button, the software has to make a decision as to whether the player left, and 10-15 minutes of idle time is more than reasonable. (BTW, in the software I wrote, we had a quick "relogin" button for those that had to walk away to make a sandwich or take a call, and hadn't intended to be idle that long.)
The point that WorldRunner made about timeout protecting your account from unauthorized use was excellent.
The ability to track the number of "active" players at any one time is very important for allocating bandwidth and other computer resources.
If a player hasn't made a play or changed screens for 10 minutes, they he's most likely moved on to another site or logged off. If it is a wiseguy waiting to pounce on a line, then the book has no incentive to make his job easier while wasting even more resources keeping open logins for players that did leave.
The only real obligation a book has to the online players is to provide a current line and then honor bets made at that line. Logins and navigation should work quickly and efficiently. However, since 95% of players won't hit a sign-off button, the software has to make a decision as to whether the player left, and 10-15 minutes of idle time is more than reasonable. (BTW, in the software I wrote, we had a quick "relogin" button for those that had to walk away to make a sandwich or take a call, and hadn't intended to be idle that long.)
The point that WorldRunner made about timeout protecting your account from unauthorized use was excellent.
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I would think that time outs are very annoying to a player.
We set up WSEX in 1996, didn't have them then and don't have them today. WSEX does a frightening number of transactions per minute on game day without time outs. Their site is ultra efficient. I am not clear on why some books need them.
As far as betting a stale line, the WSEX line page updates between 30 seconds and 5 minutes depending how busy things are. The player at ANY time can refresh the lines by clicking the link again or pressing reload.
If someone were to load a line up top that had moved although the page hadn't refreshed it would be rejected at bet time. I don't understand why this is so difficult. It's one of several checks the system does including checking your balance and making sure the game hasn't started to name a few. It makes sure the line is current or it rejects the wager.
As far as logging out, you can always log out of WSEX by quitting out of your browser.
We set up WSEX in 1996, didn't have them then and don't have them today. WSEX does a frightening number of transactions per minute on game day without time outs. Their site is ultra efficient. I am not clear on why some books need them.
As far as betting a stale line, the WSEX line page updates between 30 seconds and 5 minutes depending how busy things are. The player at ANY time can refresh the lines by clicking the link again or pressing reload.
If someone were to load a line up top that had moved although the page hadn't refreshed it would be rejected at bet time. I don't understand why this is so difficult. It's one of several checks the system does including checking your balance and making sure the game hasn't started to name a few. It makes sure the line is current or it rejects the wager.
As far as logging out, you can always log out of WSEX by quitting out of your browser.
