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hide his involvement in deflategate. Seems to me he should be banned permanently and have heavy fines levied. Thoughts?
 

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I heard that he even took out the SIM card and destroyed that as well. If it's true, he was definitely trying to hide something. How can he get a restraining order now against the league when he willfully destroyed evidence?
 

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The final score was 45-7. I don’t think it mattered whether the balls were inflated or deflated.

When you lay that kind of ass whoopin on somebody that’s all that needs to be said.
 

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The final score was 45-7. I don’t think it mattered whether the balls were inflated or deflated.

When you lay that kind of ass whoopin on somebody that’s all that needs to be said.

I don't think anyone thinks the final score had anything to do with it. Do you really think the balls were deflated for just this one game? There are different levels of cheating, but in the end, cheating is cheating.
 

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The crime, minimal. The Cover up and lying, extreme. If Brady just admitted what happened, turned over his phone, co-operated, he'd probably face 1 game and a minimal fine. His actions indicate he's hiding something alot worse than what the apparent violation is/was.
 

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I don't think anyone thinks the final score had anything to do with it. Do you really think the balls were deflated for just this one game? There are different levels of cheating, but in the end, cheating is cheating.

I think you should take every advantage you can. It ain’t cheating till you get caught. I still think the “report” was ambiguous at best.

If you play with fire sooner or later you get burnt. It’s not like it was their first time.

I don’t think Kraft, Belichick or Brady actually care.
 

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its never the action that gets you but the dishonesty and cover up of the act.. i dont think it makes him a bad guy or any different from all the other QB's who did it or will do it.. he should have just owned it an moved on... i am sure looking back he wishes he would have handled it differently but now he has no choice but to appeal all of his available avenues... to try and save face. He would have earned respect for owning it, now he just gives everyone a reason to keep the issue alive and kick him in the balls because they hate the guy for his success.. he doesnt have to deflate a ball to win, its what is between his ears and not how he throws the ball that made him a winner.. and i dislike anything associated with the school up north but the guy is one of the best to play the qb positions imo.
 

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I am pretty sure they do care a lot. Brady will most likely sue
They certainly care, but I don't think he has a case. The NFL seems to have dotted all their i's, crossed their t's. Kraft blustered and backed down, and I suspect ultimately Brady will also. What does Brady say when asked about not fully co-operating with the investigation, and even further, destroying evidence that the NFL specifically asked for on the day of his meeting with Roger?
 
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Brady should have said right from the getgo that he asks that his balls be at the low limit.

But if you guys recall this all came out between the Championship game and the Super Bowl. If Brady and Belichick and Kraft were trying to spin things so that the league couldn't make a draconian move such as a SB suspension you can't really blame them. I'm sure that some in the league, just like on this board, wanted a severe penalty handed out. Would the suspension of Brady for the game they fight for all year been appropriate or fair for doing something that a guy as equally high profile as Aaron Rogers admitted to also doing? No. Flat out no. Why does the NFL give each team their own set of balls if they aren't encouraging this and similar ball doctoring behaviors?

The real problem here is that the Commissioner should have never addressed this issue during his NFL Championship game. He should have realized that it's commonly done and should not have wanted his two seasonal spotlight games (Championship and subsequent Super Bowl) to be tarnished by such a minor scandal that he had to know would take on wildfire proportions during the two week gap between Championship game and Super Bowl. He should also not want one of the league's marquis players and marquis teams to be tarnished in such a way.

What he should have done is wait 'till the next season and addressed it in a more mature way. There are many ways it coulkd have been addressed including an expansion or contraction of the current ball pressure rule.

Back to Brady. That's Tom Brady whose phone they wanted to confiscate. Not you or me. Who knows what was on that phone that he didn't want in the public domain. It's entirely possible that there was no ball deflation discussion at all. But other things that Brady didn't want the world to know. Maybe pictures. Maybe discussions. Of whom or with whom is none of the world's damned business. But leaks ALWAYS happen in 2015.

Yea, I'm a Pats fan. But I'm a fan of true justice first. Not mob justice.

Blame an incompetent commissioner for the way this whole thing has spun out of control. And it has spun out of control.
 
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I think it's a fair punishment......If Brady sues I think they should throw it out & tell him to take his lumps & like it...
 

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I think the only significant thing that happened was the line went from 6 ½ to 2 ½ for the opener.

Yet the over under of 10 ½ only dropped to 10.

I guess the books don’t see Brady as a significant issue when it comes to straight up wins but he’s worth 4 points in single game.
 

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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...aft-i-was-wrong-to-put-my-faith-in-the-league

Yesterday's decision by Commissioner Goodell was released in a similar manner under an erroneous headline that read ‘Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.' This headline was designed to capture headlines across the country and obscure evidence regarding the tampering of air pressure in footballs. It intentionally implied nefarious behavior and minimized the acknowledgement that Tom ‘provided the history of every number he texted during that relevant time frame and we had already provided the league with every cell phone of every non NFLPA employee they requested, including head coach Bill Belchick.

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damn, there's another side to the story? who would of thunk that?

I'm somewhat amused people still act as if Roger Goodall is still credible. How many times does he have to be caught lying before someone catches on?
 

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I think the only significant thing that happened was the line went from 6 ½ to 2 ½ for the opener.

Yet the over under of 10 ½ only dropped to 10.

I guess the books don’t see Brady as a significant issue when it comes to straight up wins but he’s worth 4 points in single game.

The reason for that is because the 10.5 # was based on the likelihood he would miss games. The suspension was already priced into the win total.

I believe these are all OTB right now? They were yesterday.
 

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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...aft-i-was-wrong-to-put-my-faith-in-the-league

Yesterday's decision by Commissioner Goodell was released in a similar manner under an erroneous headline that read ‘Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.' This headline was designed to capture headlines across the country and obscure evidence regarding the tampering of air pressure in footballs. It intentionally implied nefarious behavior and minimized the acknowledgement that Tom ‘provided the history of every number he texted during that relevant time frame and we had already provided the league with every cell phone of every non NFLPA employee they requested, including head coach Bill Belchick.

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damn, there's another side to the story? who would of thunk that?

I'm somewhat amused people still act as if Roger Goodall is still credible. How many times does he have to be caught lying before someone catches on?


I'm somewhat amused people(blind pats fans) still act as if the Brady, Bellichick and Kraft are still credible.

No doubt that the commissioner is awful and a liar.....but it's the pats saying it....it's like OJ calling Charles Manson a murderer.
 

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I'm somewhat amused people(blind pats fans) still act as if the Brady, Bellichick and Kraft are still credible.

No doubt that the commissioner is awful and a liar.....but it's the pats saying it....it's like OJ calling Charles Manson a murderer.

you represent liberal nation well, one weak argument after another

try to just let facts rest on their own for a change, no need to spin everything in life
 

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