So Tell me, Why do you Think the Line Moved so much in the Ball St / Tulsa Game

[Betallsports]

Just in case some have not Noticed, Ball State Opened at -3
They are Now +3

Any Reasons ? Would like to Hear them. :drink:

 

[steaktartar]

two main ones....perhaps the poor MAC showing thus far..........and a coach leaving for new job after the game

 

[Betallsports]

two main ones....perhaps the poor MAC showing thus far..........and a coach leaving for new job after the game

Thanks Steak TarTar, kind of glad I took Tulsa +3 when I did.
But then again, let's see what happens :toast:

 

[wags4]

It's turned into the unranked team favored over ranked team play for me. Public will be on Ball St. with their ranking. Ball St. can score but they've struggled their final games. Tulsa is use to putting up big points and I think that continues tonight.

Seems like Vegas is hoping you take Ball St. I've been on Ball St. a lot this year but I think they might be deflated after losing to Buffalo.

 

[Broncos625]

Just in case some have not Noticed, Ball State Opened at -3
They are Now +3

Any Reasons ? Would like to Hear them. :drink:

It's simple. Vegas wiseguys and sharps have absolutely pounded Tulsa. Do you have any idea how hard it is for a line to actually change favorites? Very hard. Barring a key injury, or actually a couple of key injuries, it doesn't happen. Do you really believe you're going to get a 6 point line change because the "MAC has been bad in bowl games" or because their coach left? What's harder yet is having a line move up to the magic number of -3. Books don't like to reach prime numbers but in this case they had no choice as sharps have continued to take Tulsa even at -2.5. Vegas wants you on Ball State tonight.

 

[GoGoBird]

two main ones....perhaps the poor MAC showing thus far..........and a coach leaving for new job after the game

Guys, the Ball State head coach has already left for San Diego St. He is not coaching the game tonight. This is most likely the primary reason the line moving so much. Here is an article on the Offensive Coordinator who is now the head coach for tonight's game.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-gmacbowl&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

[tocco05]

It's simple. Vegas wiseguys and sharps have absolutely pounded Tulsa. Do you have any idea how hard it is for a line to actually change favorites? Very hard. Barring a key injury, or actually a couple of key injuries, it doesn't happen. Do you really believe you're going to get a 6 point line change because the "MAC has been bad in bowl games" or because their coach left? What's harder yet is having a line move up to the magic number of -3. Books don't like to reach prime numbers but in this case they had no choice as sharps have continued to take Tulsa even at -2.5. Vegas wants you on Ball State tonight.

Are these the same sharps that took Texas last night??:missingte:missingte

 

[Broncos625]

Maybe they are. Have I ever said a sharp play is a guaranteed winner? Nope. Just giving info. What ppl do with it is up to them.

 

[Betallsports]

It's simple. Vegas wiseguys and sharps have absolutely pounded Tulsa. Do you have any idea how hard it is for a line to actually change favorites? Very hard. Barring a key injury, or actually a couple of key injuries, it doesn't happen. Do you really believe you're going to get a 6 point line change because the "MAC has been bad in bowl games" or because their coach left? What's harder yet is having a line move up to the magic number of -3. Books don't like to reach prime numbers but in this case they had no choice as sharps have continued to take Tulsa even at -2.5. Vegas wants you on Ball State tonight.

Really, didn't know that :grandmais

 

[Betallsports]

Are these the same sharps that took Texas last night??:missingte:missingte

The Sharps were on Ohio St.

Trust Me :drink:

 

[woodypaige]

It's simple. Vegas wiseguys and sharps have absolutely pounded Tulsa. Do you have any idea how hard it is for a line to actually change favorites? Very hard. Barring a key injury, or actually a couple of key injuries, it doesn't happen. Do you really believe you're going to get a 6 point line change because the "MAC has been bad in bowl games" or because their coach left? What's harder yet is having a line move up to the magic number of -3. Books don't like to reach prime numbers but in this case they had no choice as sharps have continued to take Tulsa even at -2.5. Vegas wants you on Ball State tonight.

Why does everything line move to you suggest that Vegas wiseguys and sharps made that move. Could you believe for once that maybe people such as yourself might have done that, simply by betting who they think the better team and or conference is from watching these games.

It was not hard to realize that the Mac and Big 12 were over rated this year.:drink:

 

[tocco05]

The Sharps were on Ohio St.

Trust Me :drink:

I know.:toast: Let Bronco play wiseguy though.:missingte

 

[tocco05]

two main ones....perhaps the poor MAC showing thus far..........and a coach leaving for new job after the game

:toast:

 

[G-Ragg]

I know.:toast: Let Bronco play wiseguy though.:missingte

Who's the magical lock for 2nite ???

Inquiring minds wanna know.

 

[Broncos625]

Why does everything line move to you suggest that Vegas wiseguys and sharps made that move. Could you believe for once that maybe people such as yourself might have done that, simply by betting who they think the better team and or conference is from watching these games.

It was not hard to realize that the Mac and Big 12 were over rated this year.:drink:

It doesn't suggest it to me Woody. Both you and taco have to realize something, I don't know much about sharps and wiseguys and what they do or how they do it. I don't care if anyone listens or reads what I put in here. I am simply passing info along that I HEAR EVERY DAY as I live in Vegas, go to the big books and talk to people. Take it, leave it, ignore it, fade it, whatever. Simply information.

 

[GoGoBird]

It doesn't suggest it to me Woody. Both you and taco have to realize something, I don't know much about sharps and wiseguys and what they do or how they do it. I don't care if anyone listens or reads what I put in here. I am simply passing info along that I HEAR EVERY DAY as I live in Vegas, go to the big books and talk to people. Take it, leave it, ignore it, fade it, whatever. Simply information.

So are you getting bad info from your contacts in Vegas? BW was on Ohio St last night hard. So if the Vegas guys are telling you the sharps were on Texas then which sharps are they referring to because BW is as sharp as they come.

 

[Delta00]

Why does everything line move to you suggest that Vegas wiseguys and sharps made that move. Could you believe for once that maybe people such as yourself might have done that, simply by betting who they think the better team and or conference is from watching these games.

It was not hard to realize that the Mac and Big 12 were over rated this year.:drink:

the public absolutely does not move the line 6 points across 0

 

[GoGoBird]

Here is some line movement history from 5 dimes on the game.

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[SureGuy]

I was confused early about this line moving to only a pk,,, then I saw a developping pattern that clearly would lead to people loving tulsa tonight.

IMO a little bit of it has to do with Bowling Green pulling a no sho last year vs. Tulsa.

Main reasons were that people saw Tulsa win thier conf. championship and Ball st. lose thiers ,,, lose thier undefeated season , then lose thier coach. Which is seems like alot to lose.

Then Utah played Alabama and beat them up and down the field, everyone looked at that game and saw a team that lost thier last game, and with it arguably "blew their season". Then going on to get smoked by Utah. To some a comparable situation.

Then you just knew that Buffallo would lose to Uconn... and they did..... and everyone lol @ the mac and increased thier bet on tulsa. Because after all Buffallo just beat tulsa and buffalo proved to be an avgerage team at best.

But what I think people are missing on this game is the when Buffallo played Ball st. .... Ball st was in a terrible position and with nothing to play for besides an undefeated season. They were allready out of the BCS bowl mix... even after they won every game they played.... They had nothing to play for,, either way they wouldnt end up in a BCS bowl...(i agree they shouldnt be in the bcs bowls)....

Since then their coach left, a coaching change very simular to Rich Rodriguez leaving WV last year after such a great season not to coach the teams bowl game. We all remember how that team played for its interem coach..... This team has to be the most motivated they have been all year tonight with the bad taste of a loss in a game they werent even at mentally....

Both teams are confident they can win this IMO, but Ball St will be the more motivated team tonight with out a doubt.

Will that be enough to beat tulsa? I think so.

Ive seen people here compare tulsa who plays no defense to Boise st. If tulsa is boise then i guess Ball st is TCU lol

I wonder if tulsa thinks it will be 63-3 tonight?

 

[whalewager]

Bw and his beards move the line. Spiro moves the line. Ras moves the line. I move the line. The end.