Should Donald Dumsfeld ...

lander · May 22, 2004

be sodomized with a broomstick for overseeing the vicious attacks, tortures and sodomization of the Iraqis that this two-faced lying sack of dog shit professes to be "liberating"?

I think he should be tried as a war criminal by the Iraqis.

Along with Bush, Tenet, Wolfowitz, Cheney & Bremer.

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cussin'it · May 22, 2004

Sure and while we're at it why not reface Mt. Rushmore with the mugs of....
Hitler
Stalin
Pol pot
Saddam and
Chairman Mao

This whole Fraiser wannabe thing is getting old.
Why don't you chill and take a bath for a change.

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lander · May 22, 2004

Fraiser is TV show, non-reality, fiction, if you will.
Interestingly enough, I'm not surprised that a drone incapable of seeing through the administration's false premises for Iraqi genocide would confuse television with reality.

You can only teach those that are willing to learn.

cussin'it · May 22, 2004

You take the cake. You ramble on just like Fraiser. You think your intellect is superior to everyone. And you think Karl Marx was the 2nd coming.

Your reality is fiction to the majority. In fact your comedy really isn't that entertaining.

Lets see how you respond to a fact jackass,
The Husseins have been directly responsible for the torture and extermination of between 240,000 and Half a MILLION of their own people. Never mind the nearly one MILLION lives lost as a direct result of his war with neighbor Iran for nearly a decade.
So given this, why don't we just replace that ugly fukin Eiffel tower with a statue of him and his sons, because you seem to conveniently dismiss this atrocity in favor of your American bashing.

Pathetic fool.

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wilheim · May 22, 2004

Who the hell is Frazier?

wil.

cussin'it · May 22, 2004

Wil, no one special, just another babbling, whining pussy, who had at least a microcosm of wit.

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lander · May 22, 2004

You take the cake. You ramble on just like Fraiser.
Again, you seem a bit disassociated from reality. Regardless of how much you might enjoy that particular sitcom it is merely a show, not reality.

You think your intellect is superior to everyone.
No, not everyone. I'd estimate that aobut 5% of the world's population that is intellectually superior to me.

And you think Karl Marx was the 2nd coming.
I'm not a follower of Marxism, nor I do believe Karl Marx to be the son of God. Please, show me one post where I have cited or endorsed Marx and/or Marxism - otherwise, I'll have to assume that you simply fabricate information to suit your unsupported opinions and pass it off as fact. And that, my friend, is the behavior of compulsive liars, not respectable Americans.

Your reality is fiction to the majority.
I don't have a reality - it merely exists by itself.
It is fact, and facts are not subjective - they simply are. If somebody can't disguish the difference between fact and opinion then I suggest they take a few basic philosophy classes as I'm not an instructor, and have no desire to attempt to be one.

In fact your comedy really isn't that entertaining.
There's nothing comical about Donald Dumsfeld ordering and/or endorsing the torture of Iraqis when he asserts that we are "liberating" them. He has knowingly and willingly violated the rules of the Geneva Convention and as such he is a war criminal. He needs to be tried by the international community, preferably in Iraq, and convicted of these crimes against humanity.

Lets see how you respond to a fact jackass
The ad hominem attack is generally regarded as an attack that is made as a last ditch effort to "win" a debate by a debator that feels his position is inferior to his opponents. As such, he hopes that discrediting the opponent with name-calling, instead of addressing the issue at hand, will strenght his position. But, in fact, it does the opposite - it highlights desperation and inferiority but conveying the attacker as incapable of reasoning.

The Husseins have been directly responsible for the torture and extermination of between 240,000 and Half a MILLION of their own people. Never mind the nearly one MILLIONlives lost as a direct result of his war*****ring with neighbor Iran for nearly a decade.
Indeed, Saddam was an evil man - no doubt, but his capacity to create evil was magnified by the US's support. We helped Saddam kill thousands and thousands of Iranians and Iraqis alike. Bush Sr. was head of the CIA when we supplied chemical weapons to Saddam.

Do you REALLY think this war was about liberation?

So given this, why don't we just replace that ugly fukin Eiffel tower with a statue of him and his sons, because you seem to conveniently dismiss this in favor of you American bashing.
I don't live in France, perhaps you should address your concerns to the great Jacque Chirac

Pathetic fool.
See above.

cussin'it · May 22, 2004

Main Entry: fool
Pronunciation: 'fül
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French fol, from Late Latin follis, from Latin, bellows, bag; akin to Old High German bolla blister, balg bag -- more at BELLY
1 : a person lacking in judgment or prudence
2 a : a retainer formerly kept in great households to provide casual entertainment and commonly dressed in motley with cap, bells, and bauble b : one who is victimized or made to appear foolish : DUPE
3 a : a harmlessly deranged person or one lacking in common powers of understanding b : one with a marked propensity or fondness for something (listening to yourself talk)
4: Lander

Main Entry: jack·ass
Pronunciation: 'jak-"as
Function: noun
1 : DONKEY; especially : a male donkey
2 : a stupid person : FOOL
3 : Lander

P.S. Do us all a favor and do your jerking off in private rather than on a public forum.

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lander · May 22, 2004

Maybe the other post was too lenghty for you to comprehend, so let me reiterate the relevant part ..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Lets see how you respond to a fact jackass
The ad hominem attack is generally regarded as an attack that is made as a last ditch effort to "win" a debate by a debator that feels his position is inferior to his opponents. As such, he hopes that discrediting the opponent with name-calling, instead of addressing the issue at hand, will strenght his position. But, in fact, it does the opposite - it highlights desperation and inferiority but conveying the attacker as incapable of reasoning. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cussin'it · May 22, 2004

There's nothing ad hominem about it. Has you right there in the dictionary under jackass.

This is a fact as is the 100% probability that you are egocentric. Look it up.
You love to hear yourself talk. In fact you'd disagree or debate about the most ridiculous thing just to hear your own rantings.
And this is the starting point for all your philosophical musings, thus by definition you qualify for egocentric.

Its really quite pathetic to keep looking up these quotes and definitions as if you were some master of the language. You haven't an original thought to save your ass.

EGOCENTRIC FOOL, otherwise known as a Putz.

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cussin'it · May 22, 2004

Go ahead and rant and rave and debate and rebuke till the cows come home. I'm through with you and frankly could care a less about your anarchist bullshit.

Just please do your self-gratification in private.

Oh yeah, you can shelve the "Dummies Guide to Public Debate" textbook, in favor of "How to be Original, Remedial Ed."

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lander · May 22, 2004

There's nothing ad hominem about it. Has you right there in the dictionary under jackass.
Apparently, amongst many other issues, you do not seem to comprehend the definition of the ad hominem attack.

The debate was about whether Donald Dumsfeld and Co. should be punished for their crimes against humanity and instead of addressing the issue at hand you instead sought to discredit my argurment by discrediting me.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a fact as is the 100% probability that you are egocentric.
I just admited that 5% of the world's population is intellectually superior to me. That would imply that I care about increasing my intellect as I have idenified a subset that I could learn from - this is hardly the methodology of an egocentric individual. Egocentric generally have no regard for other's opinions and dismiss them almost instinctively.

Look it up.
Sure, why not, but it only shows that you, again, misunderstood basic english ..

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=egocentric
e·go·cen·tric ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-sntrk, g-)
adj.
Holding the view that the ego is the center, object, and norm of all experience.

Confined in attitude or interest to one's own needs or affairs.
Caring only about oneself; selfish.
Philosophy.
Viewed or perceived from one's own mind as a center.
Taking one's own self as the starting point in a philosophical system.

You love to hear yourself talk.
Actually, I was typing, not speaking.

In fact you'd disagree or debate about the most ridiculous thing.
And this is the starting point for all your philosophical musings.
I do not consider genocide, torture and government deception to be "the most ridiculous thing(s)"

cussin'it · May 22, 2004

You foking argue about everything. And you just fail to miss the point about your egocentrism
Of course Genocide is horrible. The U.S. action was not a perfect execution, but I'll bet my Skybook buks that the Saddam genocide is over for good.

Lets see, they knew that a large number of civilian casualties was a high probablity. As with any invasion into a metro area this can be expected. Now if you were to ask the people of that country, "We want to liberate you from the sick fuks in charge....now you will suffer perhaps 10,000 civillian deaths. But in the next 10 years at the rate Saddam was going you would have lost another 100-200 thousand."
Want to take your chances with Saddam?

Don't be such a self-righteous lover of hearing yourself think, type, talk,...what the fuk ever.

We lost good young men and women too. This was expected.

Again for the last time, stroke your monkey in private and not all over this forum.

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lander · May 22, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by cussin'it:
Go ahead and rant and rave and debate and rebuke till the cows come home. I'm through with you and frankly could care a less about your anarchist bullshit.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As much fun as it's been presenting my arguments to you and reading your school bus insult retorts I have to call it an evening -afterall, it's a beautiful weekend.

Best of luck with your wagers and all your future ad hominem attacks.

cussin'it · May 22, 2004

Best of luck with your Fraiser-wannabe routine.

I can tell you that your "Dummies" handbooks have helped to give you the illusion of intelligence, but hey, don't let it go to your head much more, it may explode.

Fool

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cussin'it · May 22, 2004

And, by the way, these are not "schoolbus insults" but indeed are legitmate criticisms and discrediting of both your views and your character. You are a fool and a jackass.
You love to tear down anything that threatens your own deluded elevation.
Got news for ya, your far left-wing rhetoric is for the gutter. Reality says, get a fuking job, Mr. ELEVEN THOUSAND POSTS???!?
Apparently, most of your time goes to posting on forums and then jerking yourself off to your own "self-perceived/deluded" wit.

So, by definition, not only are you a fool, but a jerkoff too.

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jeffry22 · May 22, 2004

arguing with frenchy is a waste of time, you can tell just by the way he posts that he must be a miserable person to be around and probably has few friends. OH - donald rumsfeld is a brillant man and is doing a fine job - however like all of us hes not perfect.