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I have decided, for a variety of reasons, that this event will provide me with the opportunity to "go for the jugular" in my on-going struggle with the offshore industry.

I would be very interested in the opinions of any rugby fans that post on this forum (I don't suppose there will be many) in the following group stage match-ups. In particular I would be interested in the handicap that people would apply to these games.

Japan vs USA

Italy vs Canada

Australia vs Argentina

Namibia vs Romania

Georgia vs Uruguay
 

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Four years ago this event was pure gold!
Internet books were just out and one could find fantastic prices.
I will post whatever I hear on this event!
 

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This year you only need one book: BetFair
They did not exist four years ago.
 

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I've already found massive value on this. I had a great position for a huge "middle" on France/Fiji but unfortunetly France covered the spread and then some. Plenty more games to look forward to though.
 

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Jackdaw..... You have the right idea "go for the jugular". You should be able to clean up if you can find a book that will let you bet on the games.. I have not found one yet. However if you can Canada's next game is VS. the all blacks. Now my close friend starts on team Canada. Canada will not be playing there best players vs. the all black's and i would say that we have a 99.999999999% chance of banking $$$ on the all black's.

I do not know where to bet on rugby or what kind of point spread or money lines they set on the game so if you find a place email me at jfkingkeller@hotmail.com and lets killem

Jesss
 

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"middle"
Wrong forum Jack! Here at the RX we bet to win. Not to middle, though I will admit that I started that way big time four years ago, when there was no BetFair and all these (new internet) bookies had no clear reference.
But I do need guys like you to correct BetFair's prices, if they get too far off from the books, but do they? I did have a quick look at some of them and it seems, as if they all follow BetFair. Or do you middle on BetFair itself?
 

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It certainly looks like it's going to pay to shop around on the lines.Even on the games so far you've been able to obtain getting on for double digit differences from different firms.

The form lines are really difficult for anyone to interpret.England top the current world rankings with almost 1300 ranking points,while of the WCup sides Uruaguay rank bottom with 300 points.On the odd occassions that team's from the top of the rankings play the bottom sides,it's invariably with "A" sides instead of full international sides.

Therefore past form can be very deceptive.For example Japan have averaged around 60 points per game in their last 10 games,but of those opponents only USA & Tonga made it to the WC.
You've got to take a long hard look at the standard of the opponents.

Another anomaly is that it's often the weaker sides at the WC who rest players when they face the better sides.The reason being they try to target games that they perhaps could win,instead of games that they know they'll lose.Canada v NZ being an example.

Having said that Argentina are resting their entire starting 15 against Namibia tommorrow,because their crunch qualifying game is against the Irish.Consequently the spread opened pre tournament at Namibia+57 & it's dropped 10 points.

A couple of tournament rules that might be worth mentioning that might affect how teams approach a game.Team's get a bonus point for scoring 4 tries & team's also get a bonus point for only losing by 7 points or less.

Of the games you mention,

Japan were mightily impressive in defeat by Scotland.Scotland are well use to playing top rank rugby sides,but after taking an early lead were on the back foot for the entire game.Japan tackled relentlessly & had speed to burn.Betfair had them getting a 16 points start in their game with the States.I carn't see them being much more than a converted try adrift..they could even win it outright.
The Japanese want to put up a good show as they want to stage the 2011 tounament.

Georgia also looked good against England.Non existent as an attacking threat they tackled for the whole 80 mins.The pre game torrential rain helped them,but England are ruthless against inferior teams(134-0 verses Romania)so a 84-6 beating was a huge achievement.The pre tourney quotes for their game against Uruaguay were about right,but if there's no post England letdown the Georgians look the h'cap bet.

Disappoined with the Canadians.Competed for the first quarter against Wales(the weakest of the home nations),but wern't in it after that.Poor at set pieces,they turned the ball over when they did get it.

Italy regularly compete with the top nations(they're part of the Six Nations comprising,England,Scotand,Ireland,Wales & France).Even though Canada rank above the Italians,this will be a game Italy should win(they rested players against NZ),but if the h'cap creeps near to two converted tries it's not a game I'd bet on.

Argentina were let down by their kicking against Australia.They should have covered the spread much more comfortably,although they never threatened to win outright.They certainly got the worst of a very picky referee.

Romania put a few markers down against Ireland,who had to work hard for their win.Along with Japan they're the only one of the third ranking sides who look capable of threatening tries against the game's top sides.

Stating the obvious I know,but only England or NZ can win the cup.Slight preference for England,who've beaten every top team in the world this year,their only defeat coming as an understrength side by one point in Paris(they ran out 45-14 winners a week later in the rematch)

Potter.
 

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acw,

Land a middle and you win twice!

When you can get lines such as Argentina -53.5 and Namibia +61.5 with little or no vig to eat then it is like a "Bonus Play" in my book.

I am straight betting as well though and not just attempting middles.

The difference between the books and betfair usually occurs as the market is just forming. After a day or so they are all pretty much in line.

Since my original post I have quit my job and I am still looking for another so I am being less aggresive with my plays and will have to leave to you guys to "go for the jugular".

jesss,

most of the UK and Australian books, Pinnacle, Olympic and your very own SIA are offering lines on the world cup. I agree with your assessment of the New Zealand/Canada match but doubt you will find much value in the moneyline. I suspect you wont find much above 1.01 (if you can find that).

The handicap lines are more interesting at the moment. New Zealand are (-64.5) at -110 which, if Canada play like they did against Wales, still looks a good bet to me (in fact I am already on it).
 

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Here are the lines-- anyone like anything?

Rugby EXIT
2003 Rugby World Cup - Matchups
10/14/2003 4:30 AM Argentina vs Namibia
233 Argentina -15000
234 Namibia +4500
10/14/2003 4:30 AM Argentina vs Namibia
235 Argentina -49½ points -110
236 Namibia +49½ points -110
10/15/2003 2:00 AM Fiji vs United States
237 Fiji -580
238 United States +400
10/15/2003 2:00 AM Fiji vs United States
239 Fiji -16 points -110
240 United States +16 points -110
10/15/2003 4:30 AM Italy vs Tonga
241 Italy -600
242 Tonga +400
10/15/2003 4:30 AM Italy vs Tonga
243 Italy -14 points -108
244 Tonga +14 points -112
10/15/2003 7:00 AM Samoa vs Uruguay
245 Samoa -9000
246 Uruguay +2500
10/15/2003 7:00 AM Samoa vs Uruguay
247 Samoa -31 points -110
248 Uruguay +31 points -110
 

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Given that some of Samoa's proffesional players have chosen to remain with their club sides I like Uruguay (+31) -110.

Not sure of the strength of the Samoan squad to cover for the missing players.
 

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Hmmmmm middling on rugby games is a dangerous game imho. There are no key numbers and stats are simply not available with decent sample size. I would stick to picking a side and if you want a good mark have a look at sporting index's line and go with him......he is the best judge I have ever come across
 

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