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The supreme court tends to follow the political climate, so if the US gets fundamental enough....

Seems practical enuf.

The most famous was Brown v Board of Education in 1954, brought by a girl named Linda Brown who had to walk a mile to a blacks-only school in Kansas while a whites-only school was much nearer.
The case overturned a Supreme Court ruling in 1896, which held that "separate but equal" facilities for were legal under the Fourteenth Amendment.

In 1857, the court said that a slave, Dred Scott, had to be returned from a free to a slave state because blacks were not citizens. No such ruling would ever be made today.

In the 1973 abortion case, Roe v Wade, the right of a Texas woman wanting an abortion was found in her constitutional right to privacy. This ruling really just reflected current thinking in society, not anything that the 18th Century text had to say, since it said nothing on the subject.
According to Professor Davies, the Supreme Court is often used to rule on problems avoided by Congress.




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As President Bush considers who should replace Sandra Day O'Connor on the US Supreme Court, Paul Reynolds reflects on the unpredictability of judges, once they are ensconced on the nation's highest legal body.

Among the trivia I have collected over the years is a plain white sheet of cardboard with the words "H-1 Reserved (do not remove)" written on it.

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In 2000, it fell to the Supreme Court to determine the poll result



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It marked my seat in the US Supreme Court on 11 December 2000 when the nine justices heard oral arguments in a case listed simply as Bush v Gore. The case would determine the presidency of the United States for the next four years at least.

The arguments, of course, were about whether the election result in Florida could be subject to a recount.

The verbal combat lasted for just an hour and a half, a period of concentrated point-scoring between eight of the justices and the lawyers representing Vice-President Al Gore and Governor George W Bush.

At the end of it, I felt free to ignore the instruction on the card and take it with me, feeling privileged to have been in the inner sanctum of the US judicial and political system at such a time.

Next day, the court ruled from the Greek-style temple it occupies near Congress on Capitol Hill that the recount could not go ahead. Different methods of recounting (those hanging and pregnant chads etc), it said, would violate the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which guarantees equal treatment for all.

And there was no time, it further ruled, for a uniform method to be devised. So Governor Bush became President Bush.

Republicans rejoiced. Democrats complained that the court had taken a political stance, a reflection of its conservative majority.

Either way, it was a demonstration of the power of the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of US law and justice.

'Let him enforce'

In the British parliamentary system, it is parliament that has the final say.

In the United States, the court itself can strike down a law, a right it had to acquire for itself by practice early on as the provision is not actually in the constitution itself.

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Souter was appointed to shore up conservatives - but joined centrists



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It was back in 1831 that President Andrew Jackson refused to obey a ruling that declared the removal of the Cherokees from their homelands to be illegal. "Mr Justice Marshall has made his ruling. Now let him enforce," was his response.

Given their influence, the appointment of justices to the court is a major political event. And no wonder that the justices have to be protected. They serve for life.

All presidents tend to nominate their political or philosophical allies in order to leave a legal legacy.

It does not always work.

For a start the nominee might not get through the Senate, which has to give its approval.

President Nixon tried to appoint two Southern judges, Clemon Hainsworth and G Harold Carswell, as part of his Southern strategy to increase the influence of Republicans in the South. But the Democratic-controlled Senate rejected them.

Then, the nominee might not act quite as expected.

"He or she might go off the reservation," said Philip John Davies, Professor of American Studies at De Montfort University.

Mr Nixon did manage to appoint four justices (including Justice Rehnquist) but the court he wanted to turn into his own eventually turned on him during Watergate and ordered him to hand over the secret White House tapes.

In 1990, President George Bush senior appointed New Hampshire Judge David Souter to the US Supreme Court in the expectation that he would strengthen the conservatives.

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The worst damn fool mistake I ever made


President Eisenhower on his nomination of Earl Warren


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IBOX -->Justice Souter in fact joined a centrist faction, which has ensured that the Rehnquist Supreme Court has not been predictable. There have been a number of 5-4 decisions and they sometimes go one way and sometimes the other.

In Bush v Gore, in which Mr Bush's son had such an interest, Justice Souter was one of the minority of four who wanted the court not to intervene.

A notable case of "going off the reservation" was that of Chief Justice Earl Warren, appointed by President Eisenhower in 1953.

"The worst damn fool mistake I ever made," Eisenhower is said to have lamented later.

Earl Warren was actually a highly political figure. He had run as Republican vice-presidential candidate with Thomas Dewey in 1948 and as governor of California had delivered the state to Eisenhower in the election of 1952.

As a reward, Eisenhower promised him the first vacancy on the Supreme Court. It happened to be that of chief justice and Warren held the president to his promise.

All about politics

Earl Warren presided over a liberal court which made a series of landmark civil rights rulings.

The most famous was Brown v Board of Education in 1954, brought by a girl named Linda Brown who had to walk a mile to a blacks-only school in Kansas while a whites-only school was much nearer.

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Prof Philip John Davies, De Montfort University


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IBOX -->The case overturned a Supreme Court ruling in 1896, which held that "separate but equal" facilities for were legal under the Fourteenth Amendment.

Warren swept all that aside when he declared: "Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal."

The case showed how political the judgments of the Supreme Court can be. In one generation, separate can be equal. In another it is unequal. Yet the constitution is the same. It had little to do with law and a lot to do with politics.

In 1857, the court said that a slave, Dred Scott, had to be returned from a free to a slave state because blacks were not citizens. No such ruling would ever be made today.

In the 1973 abortion case, Roe v Wade, the right of a Texas woman wanting an abortion was found in her constitutional right to privacy. This ruling really just reflected current thinking in society, not anything that the 18th Century text had to say, since it said nothing on the subject.

According to Professor Davies, the Supreme Court is often used to rule on problems avoided by Congress.

"In the American system where power is divided, members of Congress have sometimes found it hard to address difficult issues and have found it easier to leave them to the court to resolve - segregation, abortion, capital punishment for example."

He added that it was once the practice to appoint political figures to the court. "They would have taken a law degree as kiddiwinks," he remarked, "but they were really politicians. Now they tend to be judges with good records. And they tend to be loyal to the law itself and not be swayed by the politics.

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=629 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>The most likely scenario would be allowing individual states to decide but not
specifically over-ruling R v W

kinda like what's happening really....



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Roe v Wade: Key US abortion ruling


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Abortion has been a lightning-rod for opinion in the US for decades



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->By a vote of seven to two, the court justices ruled that governments lacked the power to prohibit abortions.

The court's judgement was based on the decision that a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy came under the freedom of personal choice in family matters as protected by the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.

The decision - on 22 January 1973 - remains one of the most controversial ever made by the Supreme Court.

Appeal

The ruling came after a 25-year-old single woman, Norma McCorvey under the pseudonym "Jane Roe", challenged the criminal abortion laws in Texas that forbade abortion as unconstitutional except in cases where the mother's life was in danger.

Henry Wade was the Texas attorney general who defended the anti-abortion law.

Ms McCorvey first filed the case in 1969. She was pregnant with her third child and claimed that she had been raped. But the case was rejected and she was forced to give birth.

However, in 1973 her appeal made it to the US Supreme Court where she was represented by Sarah Weddington, a Dallas attorney.

Her case was heard on the same day as that of a 20-year-old Georgia woman, Sandra Bensing. They argued that the abortion laws in Texas and Georgia ran counter to the US Constitution by infringing women's right to privacy. They won their case.

Trimester system

The case created the "trimester" system that:
  • gives American women an absolute right to an abortion in the first three months of pregnancy
  • allows some government regulation in the second trimester of pregnancy
  • declares that states may restrict or ban abortions in the last trimester as the foetus nears the point where it could live outside the womb; in this trimester a woman can obtain an abortion despite any legal ban only if doctors certify it is necessary to save her life or health.
But in the following decades anti-abortion campaigners regained some lost ground. More than 30 states have adopted laws limiting abortion rights.

In 1980 the US Supreme Court upheld a law that banned the use of federal funds for abortion except when necessary to save a woman's life.

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The issue still raises passions and marches by both sides



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Then in 1989 it approved more restrictions, including allowing states to prohibit abortions at state clinics or by state employees.

In 2003, Congress introduced the first major limits on abortion in the US for 30 years when it passed a law banning a particular form of late-term abortion labelled "partial birth" by its opponents.

Legal challenges to the ban, signed into law by President Bush, continue.

The result of these restrictions is that many women have to travel further to get an abortion, often across state borders, and pay more for them. According to the pro-choice movement, poor women are penalised most by these restrictions.

Changing sides

Norma McCorvey announced in 1987 that her rape testimony in 1969 had been false.

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Norma McCorvey, the case's Jane Roe, is now against abortion



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Now a born-again Christian, she converted to the pro-life lobby, and two years later Sandra Bensing followed suit.

But Ms McCorvey's attorney, Sarah Weddington, insists that the rape testimony was not a factor in the Roe verdict, and that her decision to change sides has no bearing on the ruling.

The greatest court triumph of the pro-life lobby was the Supreme Court's ruling in Planned Parenthood v Casey in 1992.

While upholding the Roe v Wade ruling, it also established that states can restrict abortions even in the first trimester for non-medical reasons.

The new laws must not place an "undue burden" on women seeking abortion services. However, it is the woman and not the authorities who have to prove that the regulations are damaging.

As a result many states now have restrictions in place such as requirements that young pregnant women involve their parents or a judge in their abortion decision. Others have introduced waiting periods between the time a woman first visits an abortion clinic and the actual procedure. Some states also provide information that has to be presented to women having abortions that could discourage them from going ahead.

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I notice the childs father is still being kept firmly out of the equation.

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<FACTS>The Pennsylvania legislature amended its abortion control law in 1988 and 1989. Among the new provisions, the law required informed consent and a 24 hour waiting period prior to the procedure. A minor seeking an abortion required the consent of one parent (the law allows for a judicial bypass procedure). A married woman seeking an abortion had to indicate that she notified her husband of her intention to abort the fetus. These provisions were challenged by several abortion clinics and physicians. A federal appeals court upheld all the provisions except for the husband notification requirement.</FACTS>

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<QUESTION>Can a state require women who want an abortion to obtain informed consent, wait 24 hours, and, if minors, obtain parental consent, without violating their right to abortions as guaranteed by Roe v. Wade?</QUESTION>

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<CONCLUSION>In a bitter, 5-to-4 decision, the Court again reaffirmed Roe, but it upheld most of the Pennsylvania provisions. For the first time, the justices imposed a new standard to determine the validity of laws restricting abortions. The new standard asks whether a state abortion regulation has the purpose or effect of imposing an "undue burden," which is defined as a "substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion before the fetus attains viability." Under this standard, the only provision to fail the undue-burden test was the husband notification requirement. The opinion for the Court was unique: It was crafted and authored by three justices.</CONCLUSION>

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Sounds like threats to me for sure

And they impeached Trump for saying to "peacefully and patriotically march to the capital"
Schumer should be arrested right now...
 
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Of course it's easy to overturn. It's 1000% legislation from the bench. It's a case study of what activists judges look like. And judicial activism is unconstitutional

Make legislators do their jobs
 
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Get ready for the peeps to start burning down their own shithole cities!
 

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