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The first question one must address when examining the theory of investing in common stocks is: What is the nature of the stock market? As is well-known, the fundamental assumption of modern finance theory is that the stock market is efficient. Munger asks whether the stock market is so efficient that people cannot beat it. “Well, the efficient market theory is obviously roughly right – meaning that markets are quite efficient and it’s quite hard for anybody to beat the market by significant margins as a stock picker by just being intelligent and working in a disciplined way.”83 Of course, the average result must be the average result; it is impossible for everyone to beat the market. In Munger’s view, “the answer is that [the market is] partly efficient and partly inefficient.”84 Or, in Buffett’s words, “observing correctly that the market was frequently efficient, [finance professors] went on to conclude incorrectly that it was always efficient. The difference between these propositions is night and day.”85 The model preferred by Buffett and Munger – to simplify the reality of what actually occurs in the market for common stocks – is the pari-mutuel system at the race track. At first, this idea may sound bizarre, but “if you stop to think about it, a pari-mutuel system is a market. Everybody goes there and bets and the odds change based on what’s bet. That’s what happens in the stock market.”
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As Munger explains, anyone can see that a horse “carrying a light weight with a wonderful win rate and a good post position etc., etc. is way more likely to win than a horse with a terrible record and extra weight and so on and so on. But if you look at the odds, the bad horse pays 100 to 1, whereas the good horse pays 3 to 2.”87 Under these conditions, it is no longer clear which is statistically the best bet based on the mathematics of probability. That is, the prices change such that it becomes quite difficult to beat the system. Further, the racetrack then takes an additional 17 percent off the top. Therefore, a bettor not only has to outsmart all the other bettors – but he or she must outsmart them by such a wide margin that on average that bettor can afford to take 17 percent of his or her gross bets off the top and give it to the house. It is still possible, given those mathematics, for a few people to beat the odds.
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After all, mere intelligence gives an edge because many gamblers know nothing about horses and just bet lucky numbers and hunches. Therefore, a person who strictly thinks about horse performance and nothing else could indeed have a significant edge – at least if it were not for the “frictional cost” caused by the house’s take. Of course, it is quite rare that someone actually does earn a substantial income from betting on the races. However, the market is not perfectly efficient. “And if it weren’t for that big 17% handle, lots of people would regularly be beating lots of other people at the horse races,”
remarks Munger. “It’s efficient, yes. But it’s not perfectly efficient. And with enough shrewdness and fanaticism, some people will get better results than others.”88 Munger then draws a parallel to the stock market, noting that the dynamics are the same – except that the house handle is far lower. He argues that transaction costs (the spread between the bid and the offer plus the commissions) are fairly low – as long as one does not trade too actively. So “some of the shrewd people are going to get way better results than average in the nature of things. It is not a bit easy . . . . But some people will have an advantage.”89 Faced with this model, Buffett and Munger asked themselves years ago how one becomes a winner rather than a loser, in a relative sense. As Munger says, the pari-mutuel system provides the key: all the winning bettors bet very seldom. “It’s not given to human beings to have such talent that they can just know everything about everything all the time. ******But it is given to human beings who work hard at it – who look and sift the world for a mispriced bet – that they can occasionally find one.”90 Moreover, the wisest people are those who bet heavily when the odds are in their favor – and the rest of the time they simply do not bet at all. *******
Very few investors actually operate in the manner described by Munger. But the managers at Berkshire Hathaway do operate that way. Their insight is that “you can get very remarkable investment results if you think more like a winning pari-mutuel player. Just think of it as a heavy odds against game full of craziness with an occasional mispriced something or other.” Even Warren Buffett is not smart enough to find thousands of such opportunities in a lifetime. But when he does see one, he makes a very large commitment.


For example, Buffett observes that “Bill Gates will understand a lot of businesses that I don’t understand. Actually, I know something about his investments – and he invests in things that he understands. And more power to him. I just don’t happen to understand those businesses. So he will have a universe that’s different from my universe.” The essential message is this: As long as an investor can identify a handful of “mispriced bets” available in the stock market, that investor should come out well in the long run. Even if Buffett does not “understand” technology or does not have any special insights in that sphere, other “value investors” are in fact capable of “understanding” technology and having insights. And there is simply no reason why these investors should not prosper in a technology-driven environment.
 

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If you get sick of capping this weeks games, here is some Buffet/Charlie Munger insight into making " stock market bets", which you could use for making football bets.


I highly value the investment approach/analysis/philosophies very valued.

Any idiot could flip a coin and get 50% of his picks right as he slowly gives away 5 to 10% juice away to the house. You could bet on the clearly better team on 99 out of 100 days and lose and that jackass flipping a coin might win.


The thing I always say is that " the smart play isn't always the winning play". Look, Tampa Bay is a better team than Oakland but they lost to them this week. If some person offered you a hypothetical bet, you bet 100 bucks on the Raiders or Bucs and either double your 100 bucks or lose it, Tampa Bay is clearly going to win more than 50% of the time at home, better team etc. Tampa will win MOST of the time but not ALL of the time. If you could take that same bet and bet it 1,000 times, you will certainly come out way ahead, but you wouldn't win every single bet.

The smart play is Tampa, but it is not always the winning play. As a better, I always strive to make " smart plays". I might stick to smaller 1-2 unit plays I like, with the occasional 5 unit play coming out there on games I feel I have a real advantage in.

Over time, I have made good solid money, while many others chase losses hard, or piss away their 1pm winnings at 4pm etc. etc. etc.

I am constantly looking at philosophies and trying to make myself a better capper, and I suggest that you do the same.
 

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I know and I am not trying to take credit for it, but merely point it out. If you bet for shits and giggles or whatever that is fine, but if you ever really want to make money here is tips from the best.

The best investor of all. Buffet wouldn't just be some boring computer like mind, the guy was the only student to ever earn an A+ in Ben Grahmns famous class at Columbia. They say the class room was like a 2 person dialogue. Grahmn would teach and ask questions, and buffet would answer everything. Grahmn would dig deeper and Buffet would answer his questions and have serious discussion.

For the above mentioned transation costs, investing in the stock market in companies you really know and understand can be a much MUCH more profitable venture when coupled with value investing.
 

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No offense, but what was in that article that no intelligent gambler didn't already know?
 

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You are certainly right, but are there more intelligent gamblers out there or not? It's always a nice review anyway.


One of the interesting things about Buffet is that he does NOT believe in diversification like all the books/financial advisors preach. He says if you already know the outcome of the race, why would you bet money on the horses that placed 2nd and 3rd when you could bet on the winner.
 

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if you do win in the stock market, you pay 20% capital gains tax....

then some Jew "Madoff" comes along and you are done like dinner
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Cap gains and divy taxes are present... yes

but then again, we all report our gambling winnings to the IRS
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How you believe in god has nothing to do with the investing/gambling philosophy.


Here are some investing to gambling translations
- Buffet is against diversification (while most live by it)
- you don't know everything about everything
- invest in what you know
- when you have an edge, bet bigger and make it count
- transaction costs/juice will kill you
- worry about your downside risk
- fade the pubic ( value invest, contrarian)

Buffet is Christian. I do not know if Munger is jewish and nor do I care. They are brilliant investors.
 

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