Revenge Games - Circled Games

[russ1945]

I just thought it might not be a bad idea to start a thread and look at games for 2009 that fall in the category of revenge games or games a certain team may have circled for whatever reason. These types of games seem to get the focus and maximum effort from the motivated team. These are the kind of games that get lost on down the road and I thought (with six months to go) that if we had a thread to reference we could start listing the ones we know of indiviually and share them. Not all are as high profile as others but in my opinion these types of games are the ones you want to be aware of before you make a bet.
We all know about O.U. and Texas and all of the turmoil involved in making that more than just another game but there are others that I am sure that I and lot of others might not know about. And it looks like Kiffin did not make a new friend in Florida so that may get ugly. Always looking for an edge and there is no time like the present to start preparing for next season. Look forward to your responses.

 

[fivestarjake]

i just hope the florida/tenn line doesnt get out of hand. its most likely meyer will want to embarrass kiffin so if i play it will be the second the line comes out. im sure it will get spiked up as the week goes on.

 

[UoweDucks]

Big revenge game right out of the chutes.

Sept 5, Oregon @ Boise St

Ducks lost last year at home to Boise. Oregon players attribute the loss in part to a late hit on their qb in his first series that sent him out of the game with a concussion. There is a LOT of anger from Oregon on this game from that and other perceived cheap shots. This game will be hard fought.

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[Conan]

Big revenge game right out of the chutes.

Sept 5, Oregon @ Boise St

Ducks lost last year at home to Boise. Oregon players attribute the loss in part to a late hit on their qb in his first series that sent him out of the game with a concussion. There is a LOT of anger from Oregon on this game from that and other perceived cheap shots. This game will be hard fought.

Wow, how did I miss that?

I picked up that revenge angle in this game from you in an earlier post where I sensed that you felt it was going to be payback time @Boise... but another part of me was saying "good luck", Boise is 50-1 at home going back nearly forever. But after seeing that video, that puts a whole different spin things. The plot thickens.

Do they teach that kind of thing at Boise... spearing defenseless, unsuspecting players with your head? Maybe it's not overtly taught but it doesn't appear that anyone over there discourages that kind of play either -- for that sort of thing to repeat in the same game. You won't see that kind of foul more than once or twice in a whole year.

Belloti was right, there should have been 2 ejections not one. I don't doubt that the Ducks will be out to make up for that ejection the officials failed make. The Broncos have it coming to them anyway... and Oregon will likely be getting points.

I've got it circled now myself. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[UoweDucks]

Do they teach that kind of thing at Boise... spearing defenseless, unsuspecting players with your head? Maybe it's not overtly taught but it doesn't appear that anyone over there discourages that kind of play either -- for that sort of thing to repeat in the same game. You won't see that kind of foul more than once or twice in a whole year.

Belloti was right, there should have been 2 ejections not one. I don't doubt that the Ducks will be out to make up for that ejection the officials failed make. The Broncos have it coming to them anyway... and Oregon will likely be getting points.

I've got it circled now myself. Thanks for the heads up.

I'll tell you what, in normal circumstances I think that these things happen and I don't attribute it to coaching. But there is very real evidence in past few years that Boise does in fact promote this stuff. Ask WAC fans, It is sad because their DC is an ex duck whom I knew personally at one point...

Here is a link detailing the cheapest shots of the year: Boise gets some "love"

http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz...for-the-cheapest-shot-of-the-2008-season.html

I am wondering if Oregon gets points or not. They may be a bit overhyped this summer...

 

[Conan]

I'll tell you what, in normal circumstances I think that these things happen and I don't attribute it to coaching. But there is very real evidence in past few years that Boise does in fact promote this stuff. Ask WAC fans, It is sad because their DC is an ex duck whom I knew personally at one point...

Here is a link detailing the cheapest shots of the year: Boise gets some "love"

http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz...for-the-cheapest-shot-of-the-2008-season.html

I am wondering if Oregon gets points or not. They may be a bit overhyped this summer...

Yeah, but the sword cuts both ways. I kind of think they will get points but maybe the line will be Boise St. -2 or -1, thereabouts. That should balance out most of the action considering that they just don't lose home games. There's definitely something about that smurf turf.

From the looks of things on that website, I would wager that a few of the Bronco players rank nationally in personal foul penalties and other nasty things. But regardless, you only find out about it when they get caught. There are other teams that are also gunning for their asses. SJ St. could be about Boise like Oregon is this year. I bet they are. The Spartans were messed up much worse than the Ducks due to cheap shots on their QBs (if you can believe it.) It is possible that Boise SS Jeron Jonson is a marked man among a few others.

Come to think of it, that even cost me a bet. Injuries from cheap shots that involve Boise. There's more than one way for someone to lose from a cheap shot. That's probably one of the worst kind of beats I can think of if not the worst of them all.

 

[fivestarjake]

interesting stuff ducks. regardless if oregon is slightly overhyped they will still probably be in the dog role.

 

[russ1945]

That is exactly what I was talking about Ducks, true revenge. I am wondering who provided the officials for that game. Since the game was at Oregon it really makes you wonder about a lot of things. You know Boise plays so many cupcakes that it is really easy for them to get up for a big game. The quality of their opponents does not take the overall toll on it's players like the "real conferences" do. Wow, we are already guessing lines on top of everything else. Oregon was a 10 pt favorite at home LY. Don't show that clip to anyone from Vegas and maybe we can get a decent line. Since one of those hits was against Masoli maybe he will be personally motivated. Great stuff. Wow, I just watched the tape on LaMichael James. How will Boise get ready for that. I like the fact that they play first game of the year also. Oregon may be the most physical team they will play all year.

 

[russ1945]

Somebody closer to one of these teams might know better but I was going over the stats on the TCU vs. Utah game in 2008. Down at home 6 to 10 Utah scored on a pass with 48 second left to beat TCU. TCU had a total yards edge of 416 to 275 and out rushed Utah 165 to 45. If you look at the box score for this game it just doesn't add up. TCU had two turnovers but I do not know how critical they were although I do know they were both interceptions. All in all that was a painfull loss for TCU and they get Utah at home in 2009. I am sure that is one TCU has circled. One factor was that TCU had 70 yards in penalties to Utah's 10 yards. With only two losses to teeth on all off season (the other being to Oklahoma) I would say that Utah is locker room material in the TCU weight room about now. Also Utah loses their PK Sakoda which really hurts them.
I am not sure when they play but it has to be after Utah plays Oregon so TCU will have the scouting advantages from that game to build on. I know TCU has some holes to fill on defense but Utah lost a lot of key players offensively. I am liking TCU and a coach who does not let many opportunities slip though his fingers. Motivation in favor of TCU in this one.

 

[Conan]

Somebody closer to one of these teams might know better but I was going over the stats on the TCU vs. Utah game in 2008. Down at home 6 to 10 Utah scored on a pass with 48 second left to beat TCU. TCU had a total yards edge of 416 to 275 and out rushed Utah 165 to 45. If you look at the box score for this game it just doesn't add up. TCU had two turnovers but I do not know how critical they were although I do know they were both interceptions. All in all that was a painfull loss for TCU and they get Utah at home in 2009. I am sure that is one TCU has circled. One factor was that TCU had 70 yards in penalties to Utah's 10 yards. With only two losses to teeth on all off season (the other being to Oklahoma) I would say that Utah is locker room material in the TCU weight room about now. Also Utah loses their PK Sakoda which really hurts them.
I am not sure when they play but it has to be after Utah plays Oregon so TCU will have the scouting advantages from that game to build on. I know TCU has some holes to fill on defense but Utah lost a lot of key players offensively. I am liking TCU and a coach who does not let many opportunities slip though his fingers. Motivation in favor of TCU in this one.

It would be hard to argue against that conclusion, but not largely because the Utes lost Louie Sakoda, but rather because they lost Brian Johnson. But keep in mind that the reason why TCU lost that game to Utah was about the same reason why they lost to Oklahoma. They only mustered up 10 points in each of those games.

Utah did lose a couple of key defenders, DE Paul Kruger and CB Sean Smith, but we'll just have to see what's up with their replacements. Knowing Wittingham, he's probably already got the problem resolved. Aways give a guy like Kyle Wittingham a bit of a wide berth before making these kinds of decisions. Also keep in mind that TCU has to replace most of their defense.

The way it sets up here, fading Utah may not be a bad idea but revenge happens an awful lot, even in situations when a team loses 2 years in a row, so I'd also want to look at a few other things to get a good feel for this game... particularly at how well Utah's defense is playing this year and at the time this game goes off. If they appear that they can manage to hold TCU to 10 points again.... well it's up to you.

The MWC title could be on the line again and every player on the field knows that execution and winning a title matters a lot more than revenge does. I can see that factor shoving the revenge angle into the background.

Then again, there's the HFA factor. They play @TCU. I know nothing about this series but my impression is that TCU is the newcomer knocking on the door of the ivory tower. So they have a lot to gain. But Kyle Wittingham is no slouch as a HC. So far in his short tenure at Utah, he's been at least equal to if not better than the guy he replaced, Urban Meyer.

 

[russ1945]

Revenge game or not - both teams always show up. It is simply about motivation and will. Whittingham inherited of full cupboard and that cupbaord was oficially emptied after 2008. All of the players you mentioned for Utah are not coming back next year. I am not sure how the term "reload" effects teams like TCU and Utah. One factor might be that the QB returns for TCU, the same one who threw 2 int. LY against Utah. He has a chance at redemption, at home, and some offensive help returning. It certainly was not about moving the ball LY for TCU in that game as a 416 yds and 141 yd advantage usually gets the job done. I menton Sakoda only because he was an exceptional PK, kicked two in that gameLY, and will not be there in 2009. I did not mean to imply that he was the one they would miss most. PK play a key role in what shape up to be close ball games. I agree that TCU needs to work on getting the ball into the endzone and there is no guarantee their defense can match the job done in 2008. This game shapes up later in the season so we will have some tangibles in addition to the motivational issues to consider.

 

[everythingthatsgreen]

Vandy @ South Carolina. Spurrier can not and will not want to lose to Vandy for a 3rd year in a row. The key for Vandy in the 2 wins has been winning the turnover margin.

 

[russ1945]

Vandy @ South Carolina. Spurrier can not and will not want to lose to Vandy for a 3rd year in a row. The key for Vandy in the 2 wins has been winning the turnover margin.

I would say whoever scores more than 2 touchdowns wins by default. LY both teams scored only 27 offensive TD's through 13 games. Wow! Is Spurrier ever going to get a QB that can get it done. In fact, Phil Steele shows S. Car returning 6 starters on Offense with no returning starting QB. I checked out the roster and none of the returning QB's are graduating. Did they ever settle on a starter LY?

 

[ChrisParadise]

i just hope the florida/tenn line doesnt get out of hand. its most likely meyer will want to embarrass kiffin so if i play it will be the second the line comes out. im sure it will get spiked up as the week goes on.

oh, so florida wasnt "trying" in 07 when they won 59-20 with tebow still in the game (and throwing downfield)with 4 minutes left

you guys read some idiot reporters essay and take it for word

this forum has become square heaven

 

[ChrisParadise]

Vandy @ South Carolina. Spurrier can not and will not want to lose to Vandy for a 3rd year in a row. The key for Vandy in the 2 wins has been winning the turnover margin.

i like this one

 

[fivestarjake]

oh, so florida wasnt "trying" in 07 when they won 59-20 with tebow still in the game (and throwing downfield)with 4 minutes left

you guys read some idiot reporters essay and take it for word

this forum has become square heaven

dont know why believing meyer is going to run up the score on vols after the kiffen episode makes one square. but whatever floats your boat. guess we'll see in september.

 

[ChrisParadise]

dont know why believing meyer is going to run up the score on vols after the kiffen episode makes one square. but whatever floats your boat. guess we'll see in september.

you dont know meyers coaching style too much i guess

go back and show me a game where he has let off the gas? he tries to run up the score every game every year , he has admitted it to the press

so how in the hell does a Kiffin comment make that any different? if Kiffin called Meyers mom a whore he couldnt try any harder than he has the past few years to "embarass" TN


think!

 

[fivestarjake]

you dont know meyers coaching style too much i guess

go back and show me a game where he has let off the gas? he tries to run up the score every game every year , he has admitted it to the press

so how in the hell does a Kiffin comment make that any different? if Kiffin called Meyers mom a whore he couldnt try any harder than he has the past few years to "embarass" TN


think!

then i guess all i'm saying is there most likely will be another "embarrasment" in the swamp.

 

[russ1945]

As far as the Tenn/Flo game goes this year with all of the Kiffin blunders when all of the huffing and puffing are done a brick house is still standing.
Now I would say that as far as talent goes Flo has the edge. As far as motivation goes I would probably lean toward Tenn in that department. Now if Urban (Legend) takes offense and needs something like that as a springboard at this point in his career than I would think less of him. Yes, he is a greedy run it up everytime he can coach but I am sure the players like that in him. When you play down like Florida does a lot of the time you need little things to inspire you from time to time. Something to wake you up, get your attention, fire you up. I think at this point Kiffin is probably going to sit back and let his high powered assistants do their thing. I am sure that as pissed off and righteous as he was when he thought he was right that he is just as embarrassed now. Lesson learned and I am sure his dad and the other coaches will have more to do with any success than he will. When you spend that much on asst coaches it may send up red flags on your own abilities or lack there of. Meyers has proved himself as did Kiffins predecessor at Tenn. I would lean toward Tenn in terms of trying to prove something but I am not sure if that will make any differnce in the end. The real fun might start next year based on whatever happens on the field between them this year.

 

[ChrisParadise]

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oh no! lets not make Meyer mad!

fuck Urban Meyer.

Kiffin took the recruits away from him anyway and planted a seed in everyones mind about Florida cheating. win.