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<!--StartFragment --> House GOP changes rules to protect DeLay

by Larry Margasak

(Associate Press)

<!--StartFragment --> WASHINGTON -- House Republicans demonstrated their loyalty to Majority Leader Tom DeLay on Wednesday, changing a party rule that would have cost him his leadership post if he were indicted by a Texas grand jury that has charged three of his associates.
DeLay watched from the back of the room but did not speak as GOP lawmakers struggled in closed session before ending a requirement that leaders indicted on felony charges relinquish their positions. Republicans will now decide a House leader's fate in a case-by-case review.

The change received overwhelming but not unanimous approval in a voice vote that showed Republicans' eagerness to protect the leader who raised countless campaign dollars for them. He also engineered a redistricting plan in Texas that caused five Democratic losses through retirement or election defeats.

The dilemma was to shield DeLay in a case that he views as political, while not giving blanket protection to any leader indicted for a crime that clearly has no political overtones. During the closed debate that spanned four hours, with breaks, someone even questioned whether a leader charged with murder could retain his or her post, according to a House aide who was present. Such questions would be handled in the case-by-case review.

There is no indication DeLay will be indicted by the Austin grand jury in a probe led by a Democratic prosecutor, Ronnie Earle. In September, grand jurors indicted the three DeLay associates and eight corporations in an investigation of alleged illegal corporate contributions to a political action committee associated with DeLay, R-Texas.

"I did not instigate this," DeLay told reporters after the meeting. "It was not leader led. This came from the members themselves."

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DeLay said the impetus for the change was a desire to prevent a Democratic district attorney from deciding whether House Republican leaders could keep their jobs. He accused Earle of "trying to criminalize politics and using the criminal code to insert himself into politics."

Earle's office, asked to respond, had no immediate comment.

The prime mover for the change was Rep. Henry Bonilla, R-Texas, who won with less than 52 percent of the vote two years ago and 69 percent this year after his district boundaries were changed in a DeLay-engineered Texas redistricting plan. He cited previous Texas cases he viewed as political - all investigated by Earle, the prosecutor in the current campaign finance probe. In one of those cases, charges against Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison - then a Texas official - were abruptly dropped 10 years ago.

"This takes the power away from any partisan crackpot district attorney who may want to indict" party leaders and make a name for himself, Bonilla said.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., denounced the Republicans' move.

"Republicans have reached a new low," Pelosi said in a statement. "It is absolutely mind-boggling that as their first order of business following the elections, House Republicans have lowered the ethical standards for their leaders."

Some GOP lawmakers also opposed the change.

"It sends all the wrong signals for us to change the current rules," said Rep. Zach Wamp of Tennessee. He said he requested a recorded, secret ballot but the suggestion was voted down.

A fellow Republican opponent, Rep. Christopher Shays of Connecticut, estimated 30 to 50 members voted against it. More than 200 Republicans were eligible to vote.

Shays told reporters it violates the spirit of the Congressional Accountability Act - a GOP-inspired law that forces Congress to follow federal laws that apply to the private sector.

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While the law does not cover relinquishing a position of responsibility in case of a felony indictment, Shays said someone in an important, private leadership position would likely have to step aside in a similar circumstance.

Recalling that elimination of favoritism for lawmakers was an issue that helped Republicans capture control of the House a decade ago, Shays said, "There are too many new members who don't remember how we got here."

The GOP next year will have at least 231 members in the 435-member House, with three races undecided.

The modified rule the Republicans approved would give the 28-member House Republican Steering Committee 30 days to review the case of an indicted leader or committee chairman.

A recommendation would be sent to a conference of all Republicans for a final decision.

The indicted member would retain his or her leadership role during the review. A member who is later convicted would automatically be removed from a leadership post or committee chairmanship.

House Democrats have a rule requiring committee leaders to step aside in case of a felony indictment, but it does not apply to top party leaders. Pelosi said the rule will be expanded to include the top leadership.
 
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Another example of how this party of "morals" is almost laughable ....

Talk is cheap and the Repubs do it better than anyone when it comes to be sleazy
 

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Doc, I assume you're aware that the Dems don't have such a rule - the Dem leadership exempts itself from all of the usual rules that apply to the rank and file congressional members.

Also, I understand that Earl, the Texas DA that has filed the charges against Delay is a rabid partisan and has used this tactic against Republicans several times.

Finally, the charge against Delay is for using the FAA to find Texas Demswho were in hiding to avoid congressional redistricting. They then had to vote to reditrict - helping to give the Republicans a majority of congressional seats from Texas.

This whole thing is a joke - The Republicans win another one using the same kind of dirty tactics that the Dems use - and the Dems whine about it.

Doc - sleaze is a political tool used by both sides - your side lost another one - and the left continues to state that they have the higher IQ - Yuh! Ok!
 

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Doc - You said it - they're all sleazes! But when it comes right down to the sleaziest - well, the Dems have it -

Just think about this - Michael Moore, Bruce Springsteen and Whoopie Goldberg are icons of the Democrat Party - during Kerry's election they were paraded and lauded by the party leadership - as though to say these are the people who best represent what the Democrat Party stands for.

When Kerry was in trouble, who did the party go to for help - Bill Clinton! I have no bones about Clintons presidency - I don't think he did a bad job. But as far as moral values go - first he broke a solemn vow toi his wife and cheated on her - while he was literally in the Oval Office. Then he perjured himself - think about it - he laid his hand on a bible and swore "to tell the truth so help me God!" - and then he "lied" - and then the Democrat leadership went on their campaign "it was just sex" - well, it wasn't just sex, it was broken vows.

Madonna said it best in a CNN interview when asked if she would want her Daughter parading around a stage in her underwear - "NO" was the answer she gave.

Who are the symbols of the Republican Party - Arnold? A symbol of hard work resulting in success. Or maybe Condi Rice and Colin Powell - living proof that the Republicans promote people on merit - not on race. Or matbe it's the man himself - Bush - not a very good speaker or debater, but a man who sticks to his guns - a hoaky cowboy type - America and apple pie all the way - and let us not forget Laura Bush - and even you Doc have to admit that she's all class!

I would say that the Republicans are like Dirty Harry Callahan - sleazy in the way of "Do you want to mess with me punk? Well do you?"

Doc - give it up - your guys represent Poop Doogy Dog and everything that's wrong with America, while my guys represent Conan and Dirty Harry.

I guess you could say that the Republicans represent values a lot better than the Dems do.
 

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I don't get it -- how are you people not freaking out about stuff like this? This administration is openly, publicly creating an atmosphere where loyalty, and loyalty alone, is rewarded and dissent spells the end of your career.

Jesus.
 

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xpanda - what you're doing is reacting to your own propaganda! Who said that it's loyalty and loyalty alone that's being rewarded? Who said anything about loyalty at all?

This Delay thing is just a Republican reaction to Democrat dirty tricks. As I already noted, the Democrat leadership serves a different set of rules - they exempt themselves from everything, so A Democrat leader can be under indictment without any impact on his leadership position.

The Texas Dems are pissed because Delay forced them into a vote they were illegally avoiding - it was and still is all political.

The Dems are pissed because some of the Republicans are using Dem dirty tricks against the Dems.

There ain't any honor amongst thieves, is there?
 

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Blight: amazing that you haven't noted by now that I could give a **** about Dem v. Repub tactics. If the Dems rewrite laws to accomodate their own at the expense of "reason and accountability" then that is equally inflammatory. Specifically, my loyalty comment was a generalisation, not intended solely for this incident. The shakeup at the CIA fits in neatly with how this administration plays its hand.

Let me ask you this: taking the Dems entirely out of the equation, do you think it is perfectly okay for a representative who is facing charges to continue to serve in such a capacity? What if the charges were extortion, for example? Or war crimes? Or murder? It seems to me that you are blinded by partisanship and have a decidedly strong inability to see the issues for what they are.
 
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Xpanda:

according to Bblight, Republicans are the "Moral" crowd and would never get involved in areas you mentioned ....

BLINDED BY PARTIANSHIP ... way to go, gal !!! That describes bblight from head to toe ...
 

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xpanda - to answer your question - if the charges had any kind of merit, then I'd vote against the person, but if the charges were a trumped up political device, I'd vote for the persons continued leadership.

xpanda - this is all political - there's no merit here, there's only positioning. Just as Bill Clinton's impeachment was a political maneuver that failed in it's short term goal, to get Clinton out of office, but succeeded in it's long term goal, to smear the Democrat party with a negative "values" label.

The Republicans are gaining power in all areas of government - In the White House, in both houses of congress, in the Governors Mansions, and soon, in the Supreme Court.

Right now, large urbans areas are the strength of the Democrat party. As the black and Latino communities grow in economic strength, more and more black and Latino people are figuring out that the Democrat party is a dead end and the Republican party is the way to go. I figure it'll take about 8 to 10 years until a majority of blacks and latinos are voting Republican.

I just hope that the Democrat leadership figures it out before the Dems die out and are replaced with a bunch of smaller parties.
 

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Let's 'reach across the aisle' and backhand them low life demi's.

:party: We Won, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
 

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"Blinded by Partisanship"

Blinded?

Doc, are you nuts?

Just as you changed parties, so did I.

Nationally, the Republicans represent my ideology and values, while the Democrats do not! It's just that simple.

Doc, I figure that you'd be a Republican, but got screwed somewhere along the way by A Republican - maybe you're a bitter government hack and didn't get a coveted promotion, or some such - but your vitriolic displays toward Republicans are caustic at the least - there's a lot of hate in you.

Hell, in Massachusetts, with many of the Brahmin Republicans still in office, I find myself voting for Democrats for local office as often as I vote for Republicans. I wish I could vote a blind partisan ticket, but my values prevent me from doing so.
 

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But, blight, don't you see this new legislation for what it is? That the charges against DeLay are 'political' and unwarranted is neither here nor there. Legislation has a tendency to carry a degree of permanence with it, you see. The article in question notes that these cases would be reviewed on a 'case by case basis' ... the door is wide open for increased rather than decreased politicisation of the legal process.

Your legal system has a process. One of the initial stages is a grand jury review of the charges. If a grand jury thinks that there is sufficient evidence to warrant indictment, then the presumption must be at that time that the prosecution has presented a sufficient outline of its evidence. If this is all political, as you say (and it certainly might be, I don't know) then does it not follow that the prosecution's case will have several holes in it and that a grand jury may not move to indict? Or do you have absolutely no faith in your legal system?

The point here is: this is a move by Republicans to protect one of their own. This is not a move to protect the system from political maneouvers by prosecutors, but entirely to protect their hides if/when they screw up. You should be pissed, not defensive.
 
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bblight:

"represent my ideology and values" ... god bless ya if that is the case ... I remember playing b-ball with some die hard Bushies who actually defended what was going on with the Enron & Halliburton scandals as, to quote them, "that is accepted business practice in this country ..."

This is becoming a Dictatorship under Bush ... the latest letter from Goss is frightening .. ghees, now gonna round up and boot out folks who disagree with failed policies? What the heck ... is the required reading of Mein Kampf not far off ???
 

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xpanda - Please be aware that the discussion to this point has been about the House Republicans changing House Republican Party rules that apply only to House Republicans. There's no legislation involved here.

An indictment is just a finding that a person may have been involved in a possible criminal activity - it's nothing more than an accusation. A grand Jury has to find fault, and then a court has to take action. The odds are that nothing will come of this - if it does, then it's a different story.


Doc, you're bandying words - "a dictatorship"? In what way? Like many of your ilk, you continue to overreact to the Democrat losses in the recent election. Of course, in Texas, it was a Republican sweep, wasn't it.
 

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bblight said:
xpanda - Please be aware that the discussion to this point has been about the House Republicans changing House Republican Party rules that apply only to House Republicans. There's no legislation involved here.

Oh. Well. I didn't know that.

Question, then: why are the two sides allowed to make their own rules on this? Why is there no legislation in place clearly stating that a grand jury indictment means you either do/do not get the boot? And, now that I've asked you this question, I think I'll have a boo at our system and see what's in place. It might well be the same.
 

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The really funny thing is that this rule they want to change was put into place by Republicants a decade ago. This was at a time when they wanted to make Dems look bad. Nothings permanent with the right, they change rules when it suits there purposes. :mad:

"The Democrats have decided that they're going to use the politics of personal destruction to gain power," DeLay said. "What we are doing is protecting ourselves from those assaults."

Can you say BIG hypocrite, where was all this concern while they tarred and feathered Clinton?
 

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Jinn - so you're saying that Delay is guilty and Clinton was innocent?

If so, may I ask, in what scatalogical publication you found such information?
 

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