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I see Kansas is a dog to Georgetown every year u see a few of these games and the unranked teams usually trash them
 

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No they don't.

Playing on the ranked road dog vs the unranked home favorite yields the following:

Since 2006/2007 season: 39-21.

2014/15: 3-0
2013/14: 7-2
2012/13: 3-5
2011/12: 5-3
2010/11: 1-1
2009/10: 5-4
2008/09: 5-0
2007/08: 5-2
2006/07: 5-4

This year's winners were Virginia @ VCU, Michigan St @ Notre Dame, and Arkansas @ SMU.







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No they don't.

Playing on the ranked road dog vs the unranked home favorite yields the following:

Since 2006/2007 season: 39-21.

2014/15: 3-0
2013/14: 7-2
2012/13: 3-5
2011/12: 5-3
2010/11: 1-1
2009/10: 5-4
2008/09: 5-0
2007/08: 5-2
2006/07: 5-4

This year's winners were Virginia @ VCU, Michigan St @ Notre Dame, and Arkansas @ SMU.

Thanks for this info Biz. Utah also an underdog at BYU tonight. I see Utah taking that one on the road. As for Georgetown, they could steal that one from Kansas.
 

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I have to admit that I semi-agreed with the initial post, but didn't know numbers and Biz's game counts seemed kind of low so I just used a quick query of that and here's what I saw...there will be some fluctuations in the data (depends on who you use for closing lines etc...) but gives you a general picture (relative to the Home Favourite, so they are 0-2 this year ATS, but 2-1 SU).

ATS SU
342755.7%412166.1%
232944.2%282750.9%
152141.7%162044.4%
242846.2%341964.2%
222250.0%281762.2%
172045.9%191950.0%
222645.8%321962.7%
191457.6%221166.7%
020.0%2166.7%



What to do with this?? Looks like SU is the way to go for the home fav, but honestly I wouldn't touch the spread unless you are getting dog odds. It seems as though the models were extremely tight last season and I haven't seen that change this season, but possibly lean toward playing the Rdog ATS or HFav SU.

Just some thoughts/data for you.

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I have to admit that I semi-agreed with the initial post, but didn't know numbers and Biz's game counts seemed kind of low so I just used a quick query of that and here's what I saw...there will be some fluctuations in the data (depends on who you use for closing lines etc...) but gives you a general picture (relative to the Home Favourite, so they are 0-2 this year ATS, but 2-1 SU).

ATSSU
342755.7%412166.1%
232944.2%282750.9%
152141.7%162044.4%
242846.2%341964.2%
222250.0%281762.2%
172045.9%191950.0%
222645.8%321962.7%
191457.6%221166.7%
020.0%2166.7%



What to do with this?? Looks like SU is the way to go for the home fav, but honestly I wouldn't touch the spread unless you are getting dog odds. It seems as though the models were extremely tight last season and I haven't seen that change this season, but possibly lean toward playing the Rdog ATS or HFav SU.

Just some thoughts/data for you.

oz


I use Sports Insights, and filtered Nov/Dec games only. Results based on closing lines. They are 3-0 this year, and I mentioned the 3 games. Which 2 games do you show losing for a 0-2?? 0-2 doesn't seem correct to me.
 

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I know for a fact Arkansas was a winner, because I played them at +4. Won the game outright. Arkansas was #25 that night.

Notre Dame #19 as a 3 pt fav and lost that game outright.

Virginia a point dog @ VCU and won as a #7 ranked team.
 

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I know for a fact Arkansas was a winner, because I played them at +4. Won the game outright. Arkansas was #25 that night.

Notre Dame #19 as a 3 pt fav and lost that game outright.

Virginia a point dog @ VCU and won as a #7 ranked team.

Who said Arky wasn't a winner??? I had them as well, they won the game outright. GL

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You are reading my numbers backwards. I stated they were for the home favorite.

The low number of games makes sense now you have clarified the nov/dec filter. That was more my concern.
 

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Rock Chock JayHawk wins SU, that's what IS gonna happen. GL

~T~

Don't ever doubt me when it comes to Bill Self. Long time friend, more competitive than I am, and you'd be hard pressed to beat me at anything.

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That was a great game to watch

Sorry to go a little over there, but having lived in Tulsa for as long as I did, and Bill was coach at TU, that's how I got to know him, ya root for friends. Hell, I root for Tubby, had many beers with him at the club, I root for "Calamari" (not Kalamata, lol) when I bet on him, which now I'm questioning. Sure hope the competition watches tonight's film, they aren't unbeatable. GLTA

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not counting tonight's kansas win sportsdatabase has the ranked dogs vs unranked favs as :
ATS:198-183-12 (0.69, 52.0%) avg line: 3.1

so basically a coin flip
 

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Sure hope the competition watches tonight's film, they aren't unbeatable. GLTA

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they can watch it but won't give them any help. was just a bad spot playing slowest team in nation with big UNC game in a couple days. same as they looked beatable vs BU after the Kansas letdown game. interesting spot will be if they can get up for UCLA in b/w UNC and Lville.

btw, could go down as one of the great coaching jobs of all time getting all these 18-19 year olds to play insane defense
 

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they can watch it but won't give them any help. was just a bad spot playing slowest team in nation with big UNC game in a couple days. same as they looked beatable vs BU after the Kansas letdown game. interesting spot will be if they can get up for UCLA in b/w UNC and Lville.

btw, could go down as one of the great coaching jobs of all time getting all these 18-19 year olds to play insane defense

Beating UNC will be a walk in the park....I'm waiting patiently to see the line, if it's low enough, will bet 25% of my roll on it...kinda like "roll tide," lol. Man, been reading everything about UAB last several days, unreal. I hope all those kids find new homes, I assume the NCAA is gonna give them immediate eligibility. Having played college sports, it makes me and I'm sure all in the country sad to hear and see such a story. GL RT

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Utah winner
 

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not counting tonight's kansas win sportsdatabase has the ranked dogs vs unranked favs as :
ATS:198-183-12 (0.69, 52.0%) avg line: 3.1

so basically a coin flip

it isn't a coin flip over the past 9 yeats
 

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