Question on Advanced Stats

[VegasVic]

Is there a advanced stat that tells how long the puck was in one offensive zone or the other? Regardless of who controls the puck. In my mind that’s the most simplistic way to gage which team controls the play of the game. Forget about shots, blocked, wide, or otherwise. Forget about 5 on 5 play. I just want to know how many minutes out of the 60 the puck was in the offensive zone. Can’t score if you’re not in the offensive zone.

 

[Lippman]

Not that I know of, but I will check the advanced stats NHL.com has now.

 

[Bushay]

This is the first place i'd start to look

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1924365

 

[doubledime]

I would like to know if you find that stat. I think it may help handicap NHL totals also. :toast:

 

[doubledime]

Is there a advanced stat that tells how long the puck was in one offensive zone or the other? Regardless of who controls the puck. In my mind that’s the most simplistic way to gage which team controls the play of the game. Forget about shots, blocked, wide, or otherwise. Forget about 5 on 5 play. I just want to know how many minutes out of the 60 the puck was in the offensive zone. Can’t score if you’re not in the offensive zone.

This may help

 

[doubledime]

Is there a advanced stat that tells how long the puck was in one offensive zone or the other? Regardless of who controls the puck. In my mind that’s the most simplistic way to gage which team controls the play of the game. Forget about shots, blocked, wide, or otherwise. Forget about 5 on 5 play. I just want to know how many minutes out of the 60 the puck was in the offensive zone. Can’t score if you’re not in the offensive zone.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...gt&c4val=&order_by=fenwick_pct&order_by_asc=Y

This may help

 

[rolltide]

i would flip around this site: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php?db=201516&sit=5v5&disp=1&sortdir=DESC&sort=GFPCT

 

[VegasVic]

Thank you gentlemen on all your responses. After checking out a few sites I don’t see anything like what I’m looking for but I’ll be contacting some of these and dig a little more.

 

[Bourn]

I would be surprised to see if someone actually tracks offensive zone possession. Can you imagine what a pain in the ass that would be to keep track of. No way you could accurately do that in real time.

 

[VegasVic]

I would be surprised to see if someone actually tracks offensive zone possession. Can you imagine what a pain in the ass that would be to keep track of. No way you could accurately do that in real time.

Can’t be any more difficult than individual TOI.

You have a stop watch when the puck enters the blue line you start the clock, when it exits, you stop. Do that all game and you have a running total.

 

[seer]

what i would like to see is a quality shot index. that is shots taken in the slot or tracking goalie saves that should have been goals

 

[barman]

Ultimately with a sufficient sample size (10-12 games....3 to 4 weeks) SOG is going to be your closest indicator.

Presuming a flat rate of 30min each in OffZone and league avg of 30 SOG each, the teams who lean above or below on the latter are almost certain to be showing similar lean on TOP in OffZone

 

[barman]

what i would like to see is a quality shot index. that is shots taken in the slot or tracking goalie saves that should have been goals

Unless I'm mistaken, a Save is recorded on any SOG that in scorer's decision would have otherwise gone in for a goal

 

[seer]

yeah but also when i team 'ices' the puck but happens to hit the net for a save it is recorded as a sog. this is why for me sog is too misleading

 

[barman]

such shots are maybe 1-2% of all SOG and given a leaguewide sample result in no impact of measuring true SOG(oalie)

 

[VegasVic]

yeah but also when i team 'ices' the puck but happens to hit the net for a save it is recorded as a sog. this is why for me sog is too misleading

Not sure of this. I thought if the puck was shot, (or cleared), from beyond the red line it was to the scorer’s judgement whether it should be recorded as a shot on goal or not.

 

[VegasVic]

Other instances of a flawed system in the SOG category:

A accidental muffed play by the goalie’s defenseman that happens to be heading into the net is not a SOG even though the goalie stops it from going in. Yet if he doesn’t stop it a goal occurs and the last offensive player to touch the puck gets credit for it.

If a skater stops a shot from going into the net even if he’s in the crease, and it would have been a tap in by the offensive player, no SOG is recorded since the goalie never touched it. Just a blocked shot is credited.

Lastly how does a scorekeeper ever, with any accuracy, tell who scored a goal in the days before video review? Even with one, on Hdtv, I have to see it from four different angles before I’m ‘pretty sure’ of who touched it last. Much less with any true accuracy how can they be sure when a puck really is on net or just missing to credit a SOG.

 

[VegasVic]

By the way I contacted "war on ice” regarding if anyone tallies a time in the offensive zone. I was told via twitter, "Not in public -- the NHL doesn't collect it."

 

[rolltide]

the closest you will come is the Corsi ratings in link i pasted above... CF60 and CA60

 

[Heyoh!!]

I have nothing on this topic. However this is what this forum should all be about. Everybody working together for the better of the wagers, and beating your book. For the record that would be some good information to have. Good luck on your research