Question about buying a house - (Paying someone else's taxes)

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I was talking with a guy today and he was telling me something that caught my attention.

He said he had a friend that has went to the courthouse and found out people who have not been paying property taxes.

He then finds a house he likes and pays their taxes. The owner is this given a notice to pay the guy or when they are evicted the house is given to them.

I am sure there is more to this as he really didn't go into in detail, but have you guys ever heard anything like this?
 

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Found an interesting article while trying to find information about this.


High Interest Returns For Paying Other People's Taxes
by M. Anthony Carr
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How would you like to make money paying someone else's real estate taxes? There's a little-known investment opportunity available in 31 states where investors can put up as little as a couple hundred dollars to get in on the action.
You're probably thinking: "I pay enough taxes as it is, why would I want to pay someone else's taxes, too?"
Well, how does an annual interest return from 18 to 50 percent sound?
These returns are available through tax lien and tax deed certificates sold throughout the country on a county basis. Tax liens are what the local government places on properties where real estate taxes are late. Figuring that they won't get that money right away, the local government auctions off the lien to investors once or twice a year. These are called "tax sales."
If owner Smith owes $2,000 in real estate taxes and hasn't paid it, the county will place a lien on his property and then auction that lien to an investor. The investor gets the lien for $2,000 and the county gets the money it needs right away to pay its ongoing expenses. Meanwhile, the treasury or finance department then starts going after the money from the delinquent tax payer. They send nasty little notes, warning them of further action and placing stiff penalties and interest charges on the tax. These interest charges can be as high as 50 percent -- and that's how the local government can then turn around and pay these investors 16, 18, 20 percent and more.
The place to find these nifty investments is at the local treasury or finance department. There are also web sites where the information has been compiled. You could end up paying as much as $39 per state for the information or, as on one site I visited, $49 for the whole country (encompassing 3,300 counties). Since more than likely you're going to go after local liens to start with, save yourself the money and just contact your local treasury or finance department. If you don't know where that is, then just call the main information number for your county or city and ask for the tax department -- they can help you from there.
Basically, these are short-term investment opportunities. After the lien has been auctioned off, the county lets the owner know that they may lose their property to the tax lien certificate holder if they don't pay the taxes -- and now taxes, interest and penalties. This gives the property owner another opportunity to redeem the tax bill and keep his/her property. If they don't, then the tax lien certificate holder can foreclose on the property.
In some areas, instead of a foreclosure, the government actually sells you a tax deed to the property -- meaning if the taxpayer doesn't pay the taxes, you become owner of the property straight out.
There are the amazing stories about people hitting it rich in these tax sales. There's one floating around about a gentlemen in Tulsa, Oklahoma who paid $17 at a tax sale for a property he then sold for $4,400 and another where the property was bought for $298 in back-taxes and sold for $8,450.
It's also true that each year people are hit by lightning. There are risks and hazards with tax certificates. The property might be trashed, you could lose your investment by not following procedures, title may be weak, and -- let's face it -- former owners may be both irate and well armed.
Because the liens are auctioned, a hot property might only be available with unattractive terms. In some jurisdictions, you may "win" the property but then be responsible for all unpaid taxes and mortgages. If you have to foreclose, that may result in another round of costs. In some jurisdictions, the owner may have an "equity of redemption" right that allows him or her to re-acquire the property after a foreclosure action.
Be aware of these and other risks and act accordingly. Investors must carry out due diligence to limit risk. This means researching the properties (which are usually publicized in a local newspaper or on the tax department's web site a few weeks before the sale), understanding your potential obligations, knowing what the rules are, speaking with local brokers and attorneys, and realizing that while you may do well in the best circumstances, the "best circumstances" may be rare.
Most impacted property owners (about 95 to 98 percent) actually pay the taxes. So most folks who invest in these certificates are doing so for the interest paid on their money.
There's a lot more to these sales, and various jurisdictions have different rules. As an example, visit the Montgomery County, Md., tax sale web page for a good example of what will be required of tax sale.
For those interested, research the process, visit an auction first to watch how it's done, know the rules, and then decide if this is an investment for you.
For more articles by M. Anthony Carr, please press here.
Published: August 17, 2001
 

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Here in Indiana it is a tax sale. I have involved myself in these a few times. Bidding starts at taxes owed. Winning bidder recieves 7% (6 months later) return on monies rendered. If owner decides to not pay, you recieve the deed. Worst case scenario is a 15% annual return on your money. Solid investment!
 

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Here in Indiana it is a tax sale. I have involved myself in these a few times. Bidding starts at taxes owed. Winning bidder recieves 7% (6 months later) return on monies rendered. If owner decides to not pay, you recieve the deed. Worst case scenario is a 15% annual return on your money. Solid investment!


So what happens to the mortgage on the house? If a house is foreclosed the bank takes over the house. If you recieve the deed, do you have to pick up their payments then?
 

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If the person fails to pay his property tax, the deed does not go to you. Unless, the bank drops the ball and fails to pay it too. You have to notify the bank by certify mail that you now hold the tax lien and failure to pay will cause the bank to forfeit the house.

Note: The IRS trumps your tax lien certificate. There is some risk involved.
 

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"Worst case scenario is a 15% annual return on your money. Solid investment!"

Worst case scenario, the home owner goes bankrupt owing the IRS. Your tax sale certificates are now worthless. There are risks.
 

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this only works on houses that are free and clear...THEN it is as SIMPLE as u put it in post 1
 

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this only works on houses that are free and clear...THEN it is as SIMPLE as u put it in post 1

Ok thanks. . Trick would be to finding how much money is owed on the house then. Say they owed 20K on it. . ? Could you just pay that as well?
 

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"Worst case scenario is a 15% annual return on your money. Solid investment!"

Worst case scenario, the home owner goes bankrupt owing the IRS. Your tax sale certificates are now worthless. There are risks.


That article is from 2001, wasn't sure how accurate it was.
 

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It's kind of impossible to have a general discussion on this. Every state is going to be different in some ways, some will be completely different. For example, in California, property tax have priority over ALL liens, mortgages, tax liens, IRS, everything, and you can't foreclose a property tax lien until it is over 5 years delinquent.

You need state specific advice on this.
 

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I remember hearing about a guy who had a 300K house free and clear and it got taken out from under him for a 500 unpaid tax bill. I don't know the laws and this is obviously an extreem but it sounds like an evil practice trying to steal peoples houses because of a loophole in the law.
 

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"Worst case scenario is a 15% annual return on your money. Solid investment!"

Worst case scenario, the home owner goes bankrupt owing the IRS. Your tax sale certificates are now worthless. There are risks.
Maybe in other states. In Indiana all loopholes are closed as 0f 2007. In the first tax sale of 2008 I recieved a tax credit from the IRS on a property I purchased, the IRS became owner of the property within the following 6 months due to bankruptcy. Worst case scenario you get a 15% return.:103631605
 
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I remember hearing about a guy who had a 300K house free and clear and it got taken out from under him for a 500 unpaid tax bill. I don't know the laws and this is obviously an extreem but it sounds like an evil practice trying to steal peoples houses because of a loophole in the law.
I doubt that happened. He would have been notified numerous times. His neighbors/friends would have seen the sale postings.
 
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I remember hearing about a guy who had a 300K house free and clear and it got taken out from under him for a 500 unpaid tax bill. I don't know the laws and this is obviously an extreem but it sounds like an evil practice trying to steal peoples houses because of a loophole in the law.


exactly. Sounds like people trying to scam the elderly who forgot to pay a tax bill or have come upon hard times.
 

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exactly. Sounds like people trying to scam the elderly who forgot to pay a tax bill or have come upon hard times.
Not a scam at all. When you purchase a house, you have to pay taxes. If you dont pay your taxes the government will sell your possesions.:drink:
 

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Not a scam at all. When you purchase a house, you have to pay taxes. If you dont pay your taxes the government will sell your possesions.:drink:
No, it is a scam. Anyone that goes around and does this is a fucking dirtbag.
 

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