Prop 8 will tear apart this country

[gtc08]

Very very loud and strong opposition movement from this crowd. Reminds me a lot of the civil rights movement.

 

[D2bets]

It is a civil rights movement. The country will eventually come around. I don't get why people care so much. You're either gay or you're not. Nobody is going to become gay because gay marriage is allowed. Why discriminate against people because of how they were born?

 

[gtc08]

Some would argue it's a choice.

 

[BetIt]

I think it's more of a generational thing...seems the younger electorate is more accepting. Exit polls from it are below. I would guess it's a matter of time before this is no longer a huge issue (maybe 10-15 years down the line).



YES NO



<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><colgroup><col width="126"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"></colgroup><tbody><tr><td class="col_head">18-29 (20%)
</td><td>39%
</td><td class="greyed">61%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">30-44 (28%)
</td><td class="greyed">55%
</td><td>45%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">45-64 (36%)
</td><td class="greyed">54%
</td><td>46%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="bottom"><td class="col_head">65 and Older (15%)
</td><td class="greyed">61%
</td><td>39%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>


</td></tr></tbody></table>






<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><colgroup><col width="126"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"></colgroup><tbody><tr><td class="col_head">18-24 (11%)
</td><td>36%
</td><td class="greyed">64%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">25-29 (9%)
</td><td>41%
</td><td class="greyed">59%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">30-39 (17%)
</td><td class="greyed">52%
</td><td>48%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">40-49 (22%)
</td><td class="greyed">59%
</td><td>41%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">50-64 (26%)
</td><td class="greyed">51%
</td><td>49%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="bottom"><td class="col_head">65 or Over (15%)
</td><td class="greyed">61%
</td><td>39%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>





<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><colgroup><col width="126"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"><col width="89"></colgroup><tbody><tr><td class="col_head">White 18-29 (9%)
</td><td>33%
</td><td class="greyed">67%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">White 30-44 (17%)
</td><td class="greyed">50%
</td><td class="greyed">50%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">White 45-64 (24%)
</td><td class="greyed">50%
</td><td class="greyed">50%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">White 65 and Older (12%)
</td><td class="greyed">59%
</td><td>41%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">Black 18-29 (2%)
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">Black 30-44 (3%)
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">Black 45-64 (3%)
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">Black 65 and Older (1%)
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">Latino 18-29 (7%)
</td><td>41%
</td><td class="greyed">59%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">Latino 30-44 (5%)
</td><td class="greyed">60%
</td><td>40%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">Latino 45-64 (5%)
</td><td class="greyed">57%
</td><td>43%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td class="col_head">Latino 65 and Older (1%)
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>N/A
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="bottom"><td class="col_head">All Others (9%)
</td><td class="greyed">50%
</td><td class="greyed">50%
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>

 

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[roadreeler57]

Thats what the sensible people of California decided so they will have to live with it & I hope any other States do the same.The court cases will do no good but to line Lawyers pockets & tie up the Courts.

 

[gtc08]

I just see this as our generation of the black civil rights movement. The supreme court ruled separate but equal and look what happened to that.

 

[Stocks]

For a country that was apparently built on FREEDOM it sure seems like your doing your best not to give it to everybody. Well I guess now that blacks can do everything even being president you got to take it out on somebody.

 

[kingbill]

For a country that was apparently built on FREEDOM it sure seems like your doing your best not to give it to everybody. Well I guess now that blacks can do everything even being president you got to take it out on somebody.

My friend they have the illusion of freedom and choice.

forget who said it probably Carlin or someone but Americans get 31 flavours of Ice cream but only 2 choices for president.

 

[kingbill]

Some would argue it's a choice.

Not anyone who isn't taught so by their Church. I can still remember 2 kids back in grade 4 I figured were gay...and 20 years later...bingo.

 

[gtc08]

kingbill how is vancouver on diversity issues like this? as you know, vancouver is one of the spots i'm considering in 2010. i'm not gay or anything, trying to get the idea of the social climate there though.

 

[timotinbowen]

Some would argue it's a choice.

They would be wrong.

 

[Rambo]

This is suppose to be a country where people are free to live how they want. It always the churches that start the shit. i say ban religion from the country.

 

[kingbill]

kingbill how is vancouver on diversity issues like this? as you know, vancouver is one of the spots i'm considering in 2010. i'm not gay or anything, trying to get the idea of the social climate there though.

Vancouver is very socially diverse, it's a very liberal city. People are for people, there is usually a gay bashing that gets tonnes of media coverage every couple years because it's not tolerated by the people or the government. Here is the latest, the guy is getting charged with a hate crime
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/06/10/bc-westend-suspect-footage.html

Not really any racial tension, We have tonnes of Chinese and Indians (Dot not Tepee). Most of the murders are either Domestics or gang related so if you don't have a bad family, Marry wrong or get into the drug trade you're gonna be pretty safe.

The problem with it is it's very expensive to live here. The condo I'm in is in the first suburb east. 15 minutes downtown by train. It's two bedrooms 800 square feet and it sells for $279,000. It would be 3x that if it was downtown. But to be fair there is lots of money to be made in Vancouver.

Our liberal government is very pro business but they are also conscious of peoples social needs. I don't see them losing power for a long time.

 

[gtc08]

ive always said religion was the worst possible thing and is more of a divider than uniter. people try to push there beliefs onto the masses, etc.

i don't got a problem with gay marriage myself. marriage itself now is a joke, with the las vegas wedding chapels, 99 dollar divorce advertisements in your local yellow book etc. 50 percent divorce rate.

 

[RoofTop]

This is suppose to be a country where people are free to live how they want. It always the churches that start the shit. i say ban religion from the country.

Most churches will accept gays whatever their denomination is; as long they drop a check in the plate each week.

 

[rolltide]

whether or not gays in california can marry will tear apart this country?

:missingte

you really have to get out of your parent's basement

 

[gtc08]

you dont get it rolltide.

 

[festeringZit]

They would be wrong.

Hmmm... I guess the ex-gays I know that are living happy
hetero-married lives were never "gay" huh?

Or, groups like Exodus International that specialize in getting people
out of the gay life-style, are just falsely forcing people into
believing they are not gay when they really still are huh?

:missingte

 

[gtc08]

zit, your leader told you gays dont choose and you chose to accept that, you didn't come about that revelation yourself. thats where you run into problems.