President Dummy: "our levels of gun violence are off the charts"

[Acebb]

kth)(&^ Rambling incoherent comments here.

America is a safer place than it was 20 years ago despite the fact that the number of firearms in circulation has more than doubled in that time.

I wonder what "charts" he is referring to?

Violent Crimes Declined Across Country in First Six Months of 2013, F.B.I. Says


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/u...ined-in-first-half-of-2013-fbi-says.html?_r=0

U.S. violent crime down for fifth straight year


http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime/


Justice Department: Gun Murders Down 39 Percent From 1993 to 2011


http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram...gun-murders-down-39-percent-from-1993-to-2011

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[Acebb]

Why is Obama bringing up Australian gun control laws?
Couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting, similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it, we’re not doing it, we’re not seeing that again, and basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws, and they haven’t had a mass shooting since.

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So I guess despite "respecting" gun rights, Obama is for gun confiscation.

If You Want To Ban Guns, Just Say So

http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/11/if-you-want-to-ban-guns-just-say-so/

 

[Acebb]

You simply cannot praise Australia’s gun-laws without praising the country’s mass confiscation program. That is Australia’s law. When the Left says that we should respond to shootings as Australia did, they don’tmean that we should institute background checks on private sales; they mean that they we should ban and confiscate guns. No amount of wooly words can change this. Again, one doesn’t bring up countries that have confiscated firearms as a shining example unless one wishes to push the conversation toward confiscation.

Worryingly, Obama appears not to understand how the American background check system works. He would like to see an arrangement, he said, in which anybody who wishes to buy a weapon has to “go through a fairly rigorous process so we know who you are, so that you can’t just walk up to a store and buy a semi-automatic weapon.” This is already the case.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...australias-gun-confiscation-charles-c-w-cooke

No kidding he doesn't know how it works. He doesn't know how insurance works, he doesn't know how the economy works. He's intellectually lazy and comfortably ignorant.

 

[SheriffJoe]

 

[Willie99]

especially in the South Side of Chicago, where he worked as a community organizer

have you ever seen a man in so far over his head?

 

[ScottL]

have you ever seen a man in so far over his head?

Yeah, and usually after he fails multiple times his manager goes to a "Closer by committee." And it that fails the manager bites the dust. Baseball has checks and balances. Obama doesn't.

 

[akphidelt]

What's funny is how you take everything literally as if there is no such thing as context. He is talking about these mass shootings in public places... which has sky rocketed. But context just eludes you, like a lot of things.

 

[ScottL]

Akphi if you were replying to me, my post was off-topic, deliberately. There may be a few issues where I agree with Obama but generally I think he's a terrible president and a blowhard, although his SOS blows harder. I tend to let my distaste for Obama bleed into threads and I might make quips about him, if that's what you meant by, "out of context." If you want my opinion on guns here it is: There are too many of them. But taking guns away from good people will not stop bad people from using them (Actually it just occurred to me you're replying to Ace, but I'm hitting 'Submit' anyway).

 

[akphidelt]

Akphi if you were replying to me, my post was off-topic, deliberately. There may be a few issues where I agree with Obama but generally I think he's a terrible president and a blowhard, although his SOS blows harder. I tend to let my distaste for Obama bleed into threads and I might make quips about him, if that's what you meant by, "out of context." If you want my opinion on guns here it is: There are too many of them. But taking guns away from good people will not stop bad people from using them (Actually it just occurred to me you're replying to Ace, but I'm hitting 'Submit' anyway).

Definitely was towards Ace. If you read his speech he is talking about these mass shootings that we are having at an increasing pace. I mean you look at these mass shootings, I might be wrong, but I can't think of a single one where the weapon(s) used weren't obtained legally by either a family member or the shooter. So it's not like these guys are using illegally purchased weapons from the black market. I think it would be a good research paper to analyze the dude who had a knife and stabbed 20 or so kids if that was the only weapon he had access to?

I don't think any rational person is asking to abolish guns, but at least have a debate about reasonable policies to try to prevent these mass shootings. The second you even mention gun control you get bombarded by the ultra conservatives that couldn't care less about the families who lost their child or loved ones and just wants their guns. They make it in to a false dichotomy and dictate the conversation.

 

[hehateme82]

Definitely was towards Ace. If you read his speech he is talking about these mass shootings th. we are having at an increasing pace. I mean you look at these mass shootings, I might be wrong, but I can't think of a single one where the weapon(s) used weren't obtained legally by either a family member or the shooter. So it's not like these guys are using illegally purchased weapons from the black market. I think it would be a good research paper to analyze the dude who had a knife and stabbed 20 or so kids if that was the only weapon he had access to?

I don't think any rational person is asking to abolish guns, but at least have a debate about reasonable policies to try to prevent these mass shootings. The second you even mention gun control you get bombarded by the ultra conservatives that couldn't care less about the families who lost their child or loved ones and just wants their guns. They make it in to a false dichotomy and dictate the conversation.

You got fringe left who want crazy strict gun bans and you got fringe right who want RPGs legalized. Until both fringes chill the fuck out, there will be no rational discussion on the issue, unfortunately. Something needs to change, but common sense on both sides has left the fucking building.

 

[The Guesser]

You got fringe left who want crazy strict gun bans and you got fringe right who want RPGs legalized. Until both fringes chill the fuck out, there will be no rational discussion on the issue, unfortunately. Something needs to change, but common sense on both sides has left the fucking building.

The fringe left isn't even in the picture. Guys like Manchin and Toomey couldn't even get minimal increased Background Checks through. The Gun lobby has so many on both sides in their pockets, nothing gets done. Obama is right in his frutration about this, but he's part of the problem, and needs to use his Bully Pulpit far more often and effectively on this issue, but that ship has sailed.

 

[ScottL]

The Far Right fights all anti-gun legislation out of fear that the Far Left wants all guns eliminated. So when proposals are made to eliminate weapons that no one should possess the gun enthusiasts fight it because they fear it is just a stepping stone on the path to only the authorities having guns. No one wants a 14 year old kid who hates everyone in his school to be able to get an assault rifle. But each side's fear in this issue regarding the other side's motives leaves us stuck in this predicament.

 

[SheriffJoe]

The Far Right fights all anti-gun legislation out of fear that the Far Left wants all guns eliminated. So when proposals are made to eliminate weapons that no one should possess the gun enthusiasts fight it because they fear it is just a stepping stone on the path to only the authorities having guns. No one wants a 14 year old kid who hates everyone in his school to be able to get an assault rifle. But each side's fear in this issue regarding the other side's motives leaves us stuck in this predicament.

Correct.

Conservatives simply do not trust 'progressive' liberals anymore. With the left 'compromise' is always a one-way street, like Reagan with immigration. Been burned too many times and meanwhile America keeps heading down that left wing road to hell - the last 50+ years.

It appears conservatives have nothing to offer liberals and vice-versa.

Couples filing for divorce call this "irreconcilable differences"

 

[ScottL]

^^She's a Righty from the neck down. Butterface is a Lefty!






















I'd still fuck her though

 

[Acebb]

What's funny is how you take everything literally as if there is no such thing as context. He is talking about these mass shootings in public places... which has sky rocketed. But context just eludes you, like a lot of things.

Actually, I responded to what the President said. I guess "context" is always needed to explain the Smartest President Evah! He can't say "these shootings" he has to say 'gun violence' probably because he meant....school shootings. But is so smart.

Oh and to these "mass shootings in public places"

[h=1]Mass shootings are not growing in frequency, experts say[/h]
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-article-1.1221062

 

[Acebb]

I don't think any rational person is asking to abolish guns, but at least have a debate about reasonable policies to try to prevent these mass shootings. The second you even mention gun control you get bombarded by the ultra conservatives that couldn't care less about the families who lost their child or loved ones and just wants their guns. They make it in to a false dichotomy and dictate the conversation.

Well, except for the fact that the President referenced Australia and part of Australia's gun control effort was to ban ownership of certain types of firearms and confiscate them. This was already pointed out.

You probably skipped right over this point because you're like so smart.

 

[Acebb]

The Gun lobby has so many on both sides in their pockets, nothing gets done.

You were provided a list, multiple times, of the 11 gun control bills the CA Governor signed last October.

Not to mention stricter gun control measures in NY and Connecticut.

"Nothing"

You are a dumb liar.

 

[akphidelt]

Actually, I responded to what the President said. I guess "context" is always needed to explain the Smartest President Evah! He can't say "these shootings" he has to say 'gun violence' probably because he meant....school shootings. But is so smart.

Oh and to these "mass shootings in public places"

Mass shootings are not growing in frequency, experts say


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-article-1.1221062

You're playing your semantics games again. The entire context of the article was on these mass shootings.

"The United States does not have a monopoly on crazy people. It's not the only country that has psychosis," he said. "And yet we kill each other in these mass shootings at rates that are exponentially higher than anyone else. Well, what's the difference? The difference is that these guys can stack up a bunch of ammunition in their houses, and that's sort of par for the course."


And the article you just posted was from 2012.The President gave this speech in 2014.

 

[akphidelt]

 

[SheriffJoe]