President Bush Says War on Terror is Unwinnable. "No it isn't," Says Bush's Staff

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'We will win' terror war, Bush promises

(Associated Press)

NASHVILLE -- President Bush, trying to contain political damage from the doubt he expressed a day earlier, said repeatedly on Tuesday that the United States will win its war against terrorism, "We may never sit down at a peace table, but make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win," Bush told 6,500 veterans at an American Legion convention.

"We will win by staying on the offensive, we will win by spreading liberty," Bush told the veterans.

The president was trying to douse the criticism he touched off Monday when NBC aired an interview in which he was asked if the United States could win the war on terror and he answered, "I don't think you can win it."

He added, in the interview, "I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."

Democrats hit hard at Bush's comment for a second day.

"The president has gone from mission accomplished to mission miscalculated to mission impossible on the war on terror," said Phil Singer, a spokesman for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.

"George Bush might be able to read a speech saying we can win the war on terror, but as we saw (Monday), he's clearly got real doubts about his ability to do so, and with good reason."

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., campaigning through Tennessee at Bush's side, saw no problem.

"What he meant was, we're never going to have a peace signing on the Missouri, we're never going to have a signing at Panmunjom," McCain said.

McCain was referring to the battleship where the Japanese signed surrender papers that ended World War II, and the "truce village" where adversaries met to sign the armistice that halted the Korean War.

Bush himself said in a radio interview with talk show host Rush Limbaugh, "I probably needed to be more articulate."

The anti-terrorism campaign dominated Bush's travels through Tennessee, Iowa and Pennsylvania on Tuesday, just as they dominated the Republican National Convention where he will accept the party's nomination for a second term in New York City Thursday night.

On the campaign trail, Bush defended his decision to make the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks the centerpiece of his re-election effort.

"Sept. 11 is a defining moment in our history, and it's certainly a defining moment in my presidency, and the question is whether or not we learned the lessons," Bush told Limbaugh.

The president added a new warning: "One of the most dangerous parts of this new war is that if the enemy were ever to acquire the capacity to use a weapon of mass destruction it would make Sept. 11 - it would pale in comparison."

Bush's speech to the American Legion came in his 10th trip to Tennessee and marked his latest attempt to court the millions of U.S. veterans.

Democrat Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, has emphasized his military service in the Vietnam War, and he was to speak to the Legionnaires today.

Several veterans said in interviews here that they favored Bush, who served in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam years.

"Right now I believe the captain of the ship is guiding us and I don't feel we should change captains in the middle of a war," said Delfo Barabani, an American Legion member from Chicopee, Mass. Barabani said he believed Kerry had gone to Vietnam to lay the groundwork for his future political career.

The president told the veterans what many of them most wanted to hear: that he supports a constitutional amendment "to protect the flag from desecration." The group listed the issue at the top of its legislative priorities.

"Our fighting men and women are serving America under a proud flag, and that flag should be cherished and protected," Bush said, drawing his longest, loudest ovation.
 

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I think his advisors had a talk with him and put him back in the position of telling the American people what they want to hear...

"I don't think you can win it." would be closer to reality, but that doesn't leave a totally rosy picture with the public, and this is an election year.

We may get rid of some of the players, but there are many, many more willing to convert thier lifestyle into one that depends on bombs, violence, and extortion....

There would appear to be about as great a chance of wiping out racism or converting everyone to one religion than to believe that this will ever go away. Did Bush forget about the rich fighting tradition between Israel and Palestine when he uttered those words about "winning"???
 

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Good old president flip flop. First he's against nation-building during the 2000 campaign, now he's for it.
 

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Let us debate this a hundred years from now. Hopefully, they'll prove Bush's 'slip' wrong.
 

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Bush didn't explain it well (shocking!), but in the context of the question it seemed like Lauer asked if he could win it in the next 4 years.


Lauer: “You said to me a second ago, one of the things you'll lay out in your vision for the next four years is how to go about winning the war on terror. That phrase strikes me a little bit. Do you really think we can win this war on terror in the next four years?”

President Bush: “I have never said we can win it in four years.”

Lauer: “So I’m just saying can we win it? Do you see that?”

President Bush: “I don't think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world –- let's put it that way. I have a two pronged strategy. On the one hand is to find them before they hurt us, and that's necessary. I’m telling you it's necessary. The country must never yield, must never show weakness [and] must continue to lead. To find al-Qaida affiliates who are hiding around the world and … harm us and bring ‘em to justice –- we're doing a good job of it. I mean we are dismantling the al-Qaida as we knew it. The long-term strategy is to spread freedom and liberty, and that's really kind of an interesting debate. You know there's some who say well, ‘You know certain people can't self govern and accept, you know, a former democracy.’ I just strongly disagree with that. I believe that democracy can take hold in parts of the world that are now non-democratic and I think it's necessary in order to defeat the ideologies of hate. History has shown that it can work, that spreading liberty does work. After all, Japan is our close ally and my dad fought against the Japanese. Prime Minister Koizumi, is one of the closest collaborators I have in working to make the world a more peaceful place.”
 

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Actually, Shot, I habve to agree with you. He does think he can win it, he's just too dim-witted and unqualified to be able to explain his views appropriately.

Kinda feel sorry for the fvck-up. 5 years from now when we have spent all these US lives and casualties, and Iraq is still a quagmire which will:

a. erupt in civil war of sunnis vs. shiites vs. kurds

b. result in brutal islamic repression a la iran

c. revert to a brutal totalirain regime a la saddam

how will he justify the his misguided notions of democracy in Iraq and the Middle East? How will he justify no positive results?

Quite frankly, it ain't his fault because he doesn't have enough intellect to make the right decision. It's the fault of the American voting public who ought to know better.


It ain't all bad, Shot, most likely it's only your tax dollars, not your children who will be wasted for no reason.

Keep on rockin; in the free world,

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mudbone:
Actually, Shot, I have to agree with you. He does think he can win it, he's just too dim-witted and unqualified to be able to explain his views appropriately.

Kinda feel sorry for the fvck-up. 5 years from now when we have spent all these US lives and casualties, and Iraq is still a quagmire which will:

a. erupt in civil war of sunnis vs. shiites vs. kurds

b. result in brutal islamic repression a la iran

c. revert to a brutal totalitarian regime a la saddam

how will he justify the his misguided notions of democracy in Iraq and the Middle East? How will he justify no positive results?

Quite frankly, it ain't his fault because he doesn't have enough intellect to make the right decision. It's the fault of the American voting public who ought to know better.


It ain't all bad, Shot, most likely it's only your tax dollars, not your children who will be wasted for no reason.

Keep on rockin in the free world,

Mud <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mudbone:

It ain't all bad, Shot, most likely it's only your tax dollars, not your children who will be wasted for no reason.

Keep on rockin; in the free world,

Mud <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mud, I have had three cousins over there (two are since home) so obviously I have a bit more invested there than my tax dollars. What I hear from them is 100% different from what is reported, and completely at odds with your doom and gloom beliefs. Feel free to talk down the effort over there; in the long run I understand it is simply your tool to get Bush out of office. But it isn't true, and the facts clearly show that things are rapidly improving. Unfortunately the facts don't seem to matter to the hate-Bush crowd.
 

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Hey Shot,

We don't agree on anything but best of luck to your cousins and thanks to them for their service.
 

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Unfortunately for Bush, winning an imaginary war against unidenfiable enemies is not as easy as stealing an election.
 

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The Iraqi's may have no war planes or tanks but they do have slingshots and pipe bombs so the Americans don't stand a chance.
 

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Mudbone may be talking doom and gloom but I believe he is speaking in terms of reality and is correct in that vision....

As far as it being a tool to get Bush out of office....I can see the outcome turning out the same regardless who is in office, whether Bush or Kerry is in office, this region will turn into a free-for-all once we leave...."the facts clearly show that things are rapidly improving" is merely putting off the expected outcome just a little while longer. As long as we're over there things will be a little quieter.... The real facts will surface when we leave that quagmire and let the fireworks begin, afterall, we're all talking about the middle east, aren't we???
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Benassflick:
The Iraqi's may have no war planes or tanks but they do have slingshots and pipe bombs so the Americans don't stand a chance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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