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withdraw from all weapons negotiations with Russia, it's unlikely they honor them anyway

re-implement the missile defense program in Europe

increase military defense spending. Not only does it provide long term security, read peace, it actually creates real world manufacturing jobs, it creates new technologies that create more jobs, and it's a far better economic stimulus than food stamps, extended UE, expanding welfare, free condoms and forcing failed programs technologies like the Chevy Volt and Solar energy down out throats

do not give Putin 1 more penny in financial aide, never mind scores of millions each and every year

and for heaven's sake, stop drawing lines in the sand all over the world you have no intention of doing anything about. Your words are pretty worthless already, you don't have to make yourself an international laughing stock

the least prepared man in the room feeds his flock with worthless words every day, they swallow hole without reflex, but that nonsense doesn't play well outside of libtardville

the president of our country is embarrassing
 

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peace is attained through strength, and only strength

speaking words and making threats and then doing nothing has failed throughout history

there is evil in the world, there will always be evil in the world, and your enemies won't leave you alone just because you have your head stuck in the sand while your shitting in your pants
 

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Willie,

What is wrong with peace through capitulation?

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There is a huge gap between the American interest and Obama's agenda.
1. How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


My comments: #9 would be reduce our military strength

(Just wondering how much money Soros has made these past few days)
 

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There is a huge gap between the American interest and Obama's agenda.
1. How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


My comments: #9 would be reduce our military strength

(Just wondering how much money Soros has made these past few days)


Russ, I've seen the references to Alinsky many times but never really sought out the details

are those his words literally?

are those his bullets and you filled in the consequences?

or is the post your interpretation of his teachings?
 

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Willie of course Snopes will deny it but they even try to diminish the influence Alinsky had on Obama. Alinsky's son praises Obama to no end. The important thing is that these are 8 steps to socialism and Obama is playing every key on the piano and threw in reducing our military strength as an added bonus. It cannot be proven that those are "literally" his words but everything he wrote could be broken down similarly. Everyone concentrates on his Rules for Radicals and no one can deny that Obama is not familiar with those. He was a community organizer and Alinsky wrote the book on that. Obama is a product of the Chicago machine had many marxist ties in his younger years.

So in a nutshell these are someone's interpretations of Alinsky's teachings and you would have thought that his son would have erased any doubt as far as that is concerned. If you look at these it is just plain scarey and it is apparent as hell that this is the blue print for Obama. From what I can tell is that Snopes looks like they knock down a few hurdles on the way to the finish line.
 

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There is a huge gap between the American interest and Obama's agenda.
1. How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.


My comments: #9 would be reduce our military strength

(Just wondering how much money Soros has made these past few days)

hmm, i think there's more than ample historical evidence that #1 is gun control. take away people's right to defend themselves and they'll succumb to most anything the govt tells them. i think the rest are fairly solid although poverty and class warfare are really one and the same. As many Muslim countries can attest there is little to no correlation that increased religion in schools and govt means a decrease in a "social state". that's just saul grasping for straws

the one he completely left off was Media Control. That is absolutely necessary and perhaps more important than "what children learn in school"
 

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hmm, i think there's more than ample historical evidence that #1 is gun control. take away people's right to defend themselves and they'll succumb to most anything the govt tells them. i think the rest are fairly solid although poverty and class warfare are really one and the same. As many Muslim countries can attest there is little to no correlation that increased religion in schools and govt means a decrease in a "social state". that's just saul grasping for straws

the one he completely left off was Media Control. That is absolutely necessary and perhaps more important than "what children learn in school"

Being this is the 21st century I think Gun Control is undoable, at least for now. In the past and especially over seas that was doable. In the U.S. and at this time you have to get what you can get. The uniformed can't connect the dots and are not aware of a "master plan" so if the more robotic you can make the people the shorter distance to the ultimate goal. Look at all those others, they are all in play. Education scares me more than gun control actually. Healthcare is the one way to actually touch everone (with the mandate) and from there it just gets easier. Historically you are corrrect but I think that at this point and time and in a true democratic republic Gun Control would be a goal but not at the top of the list. It's not like they didn't try. It is imperative to bring down Obamacare and that is why Obama is fighting tooth and nail to get it implimented.

RT - concerning Media control - In their minds they think they have it, only places like Fox, Breitbart, Washington Free Beacon are true obstacles. I think they vastly underestimate their control at this time but they did manage to get Obama reelected. And you are right it probably is more important than education at least right now. One thing is for sure Obama has divided this country as never before but at the same time it is possible he may be awakening the mythical Sleeping Giant.
 

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[h=2]Saul Alinsky’s son: “Obama learned his lesson well”[/h]
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In Artful Dodger style, Barack Obama, plays down his mentorship with Communist author Saul Alinsky. But Alinsky’s son, L. David Alinsky, credits Obama for “learning his lesson well” from the Communist guru.
Indeed, Alinsky Jr. who credits his late father for the success of last week’s Democratic National Convention, may have done something that Obama’s detractors couldn’t: blown the cover on the presidential hopeful’s communist leanings.
No one can blame Alinsky for the pretentiousness of the Ancient Greek Temple from which Obama addressed plebes, or for the tacky neon colours on display at the Pepsi Centre, but it was Alinsky who wrote Rules for Radicals, the bible of the far left.
Says Alinsky’s son L. David Alinsky of his father’s influence at the Dem Convention: “ALL the elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situation and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd’s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people.”
“The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style, the Communist guru’s son wrote in a letter published yesterday in the Boston Globe.
The Artful Dodger may be less than pleased that he has been pegged as a Saul Alinsky Poster Boy by the guru’s own son.
“Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness,” Alinsky Jr. wrote to the Globe. “It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.
“I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”
Alinsky should be reminded that the West has stared down communism everywhere it has raised its hideous head.
influencing a Democratic convention from the grave pales in comparison to the results that followed President Ronald Reagan’s famous words, “Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall.”
The commonsense and freedom-loving Gipper would have chuckled at the audacity of Obama’s Ancient Greek Temple stage setting and would have told Obama what he told the world: “All great change in America begins at the dinner table.”
Reagan also said: “I have seen the rise and fall of Nazi tyranny, the subsequent cold war and the nuclear nightmare that for 50 years haunted the dreams of children everywhere. During that time my generation defeated totalitarianism. As a result, your world is poised for better tomorrows. What will you do on your journey?”
“Alinsky considered himself a realist above all, the ultimate pragmatist.” (American Thinker, Aug. 30, 2008). “As a confirmed atheist, Alinsky believed that the here and now is all there is, and therefore had no qualms about assorted versions of morality in the pursuit of worldly power. He didn’t coddle his radical acolytes or encourage their bourgeois distinctions between good and evil when it came to transferring power from the Haves to the Have Nots. Alinsky saw the already formed church communities as being the perfect springboards for agitation and creating bonds for demanding goods and services.”
Obama followed the same path.
It is a fact that activist-cum senator Barack Hussein Obama started off his career as an activist with a position as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious conference (CCRC) in Chicago. Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned, in Alinsky’s own words, how to “rub raw the sores of discontent”.
Meanwhile L. David Alinsky, perhaps unwittingly put Obama into the proper perspective by stating without reservation: “Obama learned his lesson well.”
 

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In a July 2008 speech, then-Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his speech in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released teleprompter script and launched into a community organizing lecture:
We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.


Read the rest of this Patriot Update article here: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/proof-that-obama-is-linked-to-radical-alinsky/#JtqbAwxk5OEYXDMG.99
 

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Willie - sorry for all the posts but this is a topic that is near and dear to me and the ties to Alinsky are obvious.
 

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