Pats turned down #12 pick for Cassel, WTF?

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Why would Pats turn down 12th pick for Cassel?
March 1, 2009 12:25 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham
Circumstances surrounding the Matt Cassel trade keep getting curiouser and curiouser.
The more we learn, the more inexplicable it gets.
The New England Patriots sent Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs for the 34th overall selection in this year's draft, compensation that seemed a little weak on the surface.
ESPN's Chris Mortensen has since reported there was a much better offer on the table, that the Patriots passed on the 12th overall pick in a three-way trade that would've sent Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
The Patriots did business with Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who for the previous nine years worked closely with Bill Belichick in the Patriots' front office. It must be noted new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels was Belichick's offensive coordinator in New England.
Mort and I have exchanged a few e-mails on the subject. Here is how he broke down the proposed three-way deal:
This one defies logic, but a source I really trust tells me it's true: The Broncos were willing to offer their own first-round pick (12th overall) to the Patriots for Cassel. Obviously, it was conditional upon Cutler being traded and Tampa Bay was the most likely destination, the Bucs willing to part with their first- and third-round picks.
But Belichick never embraced a trade with the Broncos, even though it was a head-scratcher on the value part (second-rounder versus a first-rounder). It suggests two or three speculative thoughts:

  1. Belichick has always valued second-round picks (he now has three) and didn't want to be stuck at No. 12 financially for whatever reason;
  2. Belichick had an agreement with Pioli all along and wouldn't break his word;
  3. Belichick isn't about to help another former assistant.
The Broncos sensed resistance all along, which is why they held the Bucs, Lions, Vikings, etc., at arm's length and allows McDaniels his plausible deniability on trading Cutler (and logic supports his denial).
However, despite intense efforts to keep this run at Cassel under wraps, enough damage has been done that Cutler may now be on the block.
The Broncos/Cutler aspect of the trade was reported by the Boston Globe. A Patriots' leak? Why? To mess with McDaniels?
Mort is correct. The information is astounding.
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Several citizens of Patriot Nation have written into my AFC East mailbag and left notes in the comments section that Belichick didn't want a first-round pick for Cassel, that a second-rounder is more financially palatable.
Ridiculous, I say. The Patriots had the No. 10 pick last year and were highly successful with it, selecting defensive rookie of the year Jerod Mayo, a franchise player who could anchor their defense for the next decade.
The No. 12 pick is a commodity. The Patriots might've traded it for additional picks, dangling it on draft day to a team that has the hots for, say, quarterback Mark Sanchez, and doesn't want him to get away.
Mort left me with one last thought:
It is also interesting that Pioli made the trade without doing a deal with Cassel. This puts a lot of leverage on Cassel's side going forward. Then again, Pioli probably sensed Cassel would have preferred McDaniels and the Broncos for all the obvious reasons, which may have influenced negotiations in Cassel's favor anyway. AFC West rivalry revived here.
That's a lot to think about.
What do you think happened?
 

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ESPN just had a poll on 'First Take' who would you rather have Cutler or Cassel and Cutler won.
 
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I knew, I smelled a Rat !

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It is hard to speculate without really knowing what happened between the organizations, but I really think the Broncos dodged a bullet here. There is no doubt that Cutler is a better QB than Cassel. I loved what Cassel did last year, but he was put in a tremendous spot and had Randy Moss to throw to with Wes Welker underneath, the ultimate safety blanket for a QB. Anyone who thinks Cassel will be 1/2 as good on the Chiefs is going to be in for a big surprise.. he had a hard time completing and pass more than 15-20 yards down field. Cutler meanwhile has a Pro Bowl arm..
 

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Peter King on ESPN just said, the Pats didnt want the Chiefs #3 overall first round pick because they would have to guarantee a rookie 11M a season, and they didnt want that.

If they had the #3 pick, couldnt they have at the very least traded it to another team rebuilding like Detroit for a #2 and a future #1? WTF this is the dumbest thing i ever heard

A first round pick is an ASSET you dumb fucks
 

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It is hard to speculate without really knowing what happened between the organizations, but I really think the Broncos dodged a bullet here. There is no doubt that Cutler is a better QB than Cassel

The two people who knew about cassel the most wanted him the most.
Cutler's a ****.Cassell has way more upside than Cutler.If Cassell had as much playing time as cutler he'll be better than him.
The one gguy the Pats want and is taking a run at is Julius Peppers who wants to play for a contender and wants to play in a 3-4 D.
 

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Not an asset if you're cheap.
 

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Here in Tampa Bay area they have been talking about how we almost attained Cutler.

Seems Belichick co. screwed everyone!
 

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Somebody bump the Cutler ATS record thread please...He's a joke.
 

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New rumor has it.Just now reported on weei Boston. Is that the trade was a 1 and 3 to Denver for Cutler and Denvers #2 to Pats.

WEEI.com Thats all they're talking about is the trade and the rumors.
 

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The two people who knew about cassel the most wanted him the most.
Cutler's a ****.Cassell has way more upside than Cutler.If Cassell had as much playing time as cutler he'll be better than him.
The one gguy the Pats want and is taking a run at is Julius Peppers who wants to play for a contender and wants to play in a 3-4 D.
Spoken like a true Bostoner who doesnt know shit.

Cutler is ten times the football player Cassel, is.

Cutler is HOF good, Cassel is just a nice QB who if he has the correct pieces around him can get to a few Pro Bowls. Cutler is a once in a generation arm. He really could be Elway version 2.0 if/when they get a running game in Denver
 

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Cutler is ten times the football player Cassel, is.

Spoken like a big mouth New Yorker who dosen't know his ass from 3rd base.
By the way if the old Yankee Stadium is the house that Ruth built,is the new Yankee Stadium the House that Juice built?

Jay Cutler is whining baby that is a HOFer in his mind and yours only. 17-20 and hasn't won a playoff game, let that bother ya.
 

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For everyone interested in this thread.

This is an interesting topic, please keep it civil and not turn it into a pissing contest.

Make your points and observations but there is no need to call each other names because you do not agree on who is better than who etc..


Thanks, wil..
 

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If they had the #3 pick, couldnt they have at the very least traded it to another team rebuilding like Detroit for a #2 and a future #1? WTF this is the dumbest thing i ever heard

A first round pick is an ASSET you dumb fucks

You sound like a fantasy GM. This ain't you local fantasy league.

So they trade the #3 pick right? To which team? Nobody wants it. The Dolphins tried to dump the top pick last year and no team bit. This year, nobody will trade into the Top 3.

Belichick works 20 hours while you watch 20 minutes of ESPN and you're naive enough to think you know more than him.
 

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This is an interesting topic, please keep it civil and not turn it into a pissing contest.

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Wils right. Sorry for calling you New Yorker...kidding...nothing personal
 

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Wils right. Sorry for calling you New Yorker...kidding...nothing personal
yeah sorry for saying Bostoners dont know shit, i meant to include the entire Massachusetts ^^:)^^:)


FWIW, we cant compare past stats of Cutler or Cassel they are young and the future is what the question is about.

Cutler has ALL the tools a franchise QB needs
arm strength, check
Toughness, check
Will run for extra few yards, check
ability to perform 2 minute drill, check

Yes Cassel has most of these skills, but his arm strength pales in comparison to Cutlers
 

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Toughness, check
Will run for extra few yards, check
ability to perform 2 minute drill, check

Yes Cassel has most of these skills, but his arm strength pales in comparison to Cutlers <!-- / message -->

Cutler may have a better arm but not by leaps and bounds.
Cassel is much more mobile than Cutler.
I was one of those guys who thought the Pats should have gotten a veteran when Brady went down.Cassel improved every part of his game the more he played the better he got. The last 6 weeks of the season he was as good a QB as there is in the league.
Cassell will take his lumps in KC for a year or so but he is tough enough mentally to get through it.
As far as Cutler goes I'd take Rivers over him in a heart beat.He is a candy ass and McDaniels knows it.
 

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Cutler may have a better arm but not by leaps and bounds.
Cassel is much more mobile than Cutler.
I was one of those guys who thought the Pats should have gotten a veteran when Brady went down.Cassel improved every part of his game the more he played the better he got. The last 6 weeks of the season he was as good a QB as there is in the league.
Cassell will take his lumps in KC for a year or so but he is tough enough mentally to get through it.
As far as Cutler goes I'd take Rivers over him in a heart beat.He is a candy ass and McDaniels knows it.

I dont want to get personal, but the bolded quote was so out of left field its absurd.

Rivers is right up there with Cutler, Big Ben, Peyton, Brees as to which QB could you want to start a franchise with today.

Thats like going into a Magic vs Bird argument and saying Bird was not as good as Jordan
 

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