OU will NOT make the title game if OU, USC, and an SEC team all go undefeated!

[hippieki11er]

1. If UGA goes undefeated, there's no way IN HELL they'll be left out, as they were just screwed last year out of the title game and were stuck with Hawaii leftovers.

2. If UF goes undefeated (more likely scenario than UGA), no one would want to see another USC vs. OU match-up. UF's SOS is much weaker than UGA's, but they'd still get the nod over OU.

3. OU has failed in the BCS recently when being rewarded for BCS games they didn't deserve (see vs. USC), but also by losing others they should've won (see Boise and WVU).

Whatsmore, and perhaps most importantly, despite OU's current #2 standing in both the AP and Coaches polls, don't forget how large of a role the computers play in the BCS standings. I guarantee you that the computers would be IN LOVE with an undefeated UGA (rightfully so with their SOS), which could elevate UGA all the way to the #1 BCS spot. An undefeated OU's SOS would be slightly higher than an undefeated USC's, but USC would take the #2 BCS spot behind an undefeated UGA since USC would still most likely hold the #1 positions in both the AP and Coaches polls.

Sorry OU fans, it'll be your turn to be "screwed" by the BCS should USC, an SEC team, and OU all run the table this year.

 

[FairWarning]

I don't get the reasoning that people don't want to see OU. If they can go thru the Big 12 undefeated, that is good enough for me. People want to see an undefeated Florida team who basically lost on their home field in a bowl game last year. OK.

 

[BaldEagle]

I think the order of "should be in" if they go undefeated are:

Georgia
Oklahoma
USC
Florida/LSU/Alabama

Reality is USC TRIED to play a tough Out of conference game but they ended up with a piece of crap Ohio State instead. The rest of their schedule is god-awful easy. I know it is in conference, lots of rivalry's, etc etc etc. But if Georgia played 8 Tennessee clones instead of Florida, LSU, Alabama, Auburn we would all be giving them crap about their soft-schedule (much like we are Florida because they ONLY play Georgia and LSU)


However with USC looking so dominate and being so far ahead in the polls I expect them to hold the #1 spot and if it breaks down to it I expect UGA to be #1 in the Computer polls, OU #2, USC #3. So it will be really tight how it breaks down. Here's to a 3 way tie at the top!

But USC is the one who deserves to be left out.. even though they won't

 

[Conan]

OU's big problem is public perception. That is a factor that reflects in the polls more than any formula.

In a positive light, they are looked upon as THE B-12 team very often and their offense is highly respected. In a negative light, they have this reputation for losing big games and that perception hurts their shot for an NC berth. However, if they come up big in let's say the Rose Bowl vs a top 10 team from the Big-10, for example Penn. St., it would influence their rank for years to come and put them in a more favorable light to get an NC nod. Personally I think they are the #2 team in the country and could give any SEC team fits.

 

[Gaz]

Why are we going hypotheticals on 3 teams maybe going undefeated? Good change that all 3 do not

 

[Conan]

Reality is USC TRIED to play a tough Out of conference game but they ended up with a piece of crap Ohio State instead. The rest of their schedule is god-awful easy. I know it is in conference, lots of rivalry's, etc etc etc. But if Georgia played 8 Tennessee clones instead of Florida, LSU, Alabama, Auburn we would all be giving them crap about their soft-schedule (much like we are Florida because they ONLY play Georgia and LSU)

However with USC looking so dominate and being so far ahead in the polls I expect them to hold the #1 spot and if it breaks down to it I expect UGA to be #1 in the Computer polls, OU #2, USC #3. So it will be really tight how it breaks down. Here's to a 3 way tie at the top!

But USC is the one who deserves to be left out.. even though they won't

How quickly people forget about 4 months of all the frenzied "Game of the Year" hoopla when all USC did to hurt their chances was to give Ohio St. one motha of a beatdown. Anyone from the SEC that discredits that win doesn't think much of their last 2 national championships either.

 

[sportsfreak]

Long way to go in the season, but.........without a doubt, if it did happen, OSU would be left out. USC would get in because of the love for them that the entire media has above anyone else, and there's no way an undefeated team from the conference who has won the last 2 NCs would be left out.

 

[krk1030]

If Oklahoma and a SEC team go undefeated, they will play for the title. USC would be left out.

 

[sportsfreak]

If Oklahoma and a SEC team go undefeated, they will play for the title. USC would be left out.

That's how it SHOULD be...but that wont be how it would be. Media loves USC. No way they go undefeated and get left out. As long as they remain #1 in both polls (which they would), nothing the BCS could do about it.

 

[hippieki11er]

I think the order of "should be in" if they go undefeated are:

Georgia
Oklahoma
USC
Florida/LSU/Alabama

Reality is USC TRIED to play a tough Out of conference game but they ended up with a piece of crap Ohio State instead. The rest of their schedule is god-awful easy. I know it is in conference, lots of rivalry's, etc etc etc. But if Georgia played 8 Tennessee clones instead of Florida, LSU, Alabama, Auburn we would all be giving them crap about their soft-schedule (much like we are Florida because they ONLY play Georgia and LSU)


However with USC looking so dominate and being so far ahead in the polls I expect them to hold the #1 spot and if it breaks down to it I expect UGA to be #1 in the Computer polls, OU #2, USC #3. So it will be really tight how it breaks down. Here's to a 3 way tie at the top!

But USC is the one who deserves to be left out.. even though they won't

100% agree with everything you said here, despite being a diehard 'SC fan myself. USC would be the third most 'deserving' team to get in simply based on their inferior SOS (though it's not their fault the Pac-10, Virginia, and ND continue to be down), but USC getting left out wouldn't happen. The difference between an undefeated OU and an undefeated USC would be that USC would still likely be #1 in both the AP and Coaches poll which would put them at #2 in the BCS overall behind UGA. I agree that USC would be #3 behind OU in the computers, but not by much. It'd be worth much more to be #1 in both the AP and Coaches than a slight #2 in the computers.

At the same time, with respect to what Conan said, I think there's something to be said about where your opponents stood *at the time* when you played them. OSU was being talked about in the highest regards right up until the time USC took them apart, but the moment they were soundly defeated, suddenly they're no better than Iowa. There's got to be more of a middle ground with respect to the way SOS is viewed. Instead, 'SC fans need to hope that OSU, Virginia, and ND win as many games as possible from here on out.

 

[soonerfanjames]

9 replies and no one has chimed in about BYU.. It is almost assured there will be = or < than 2 undefeted teams from the majors.. Then the cries for a playoff will start.

 

[soonerfanjames]

BTW.. I favor the Bowl system..

 

[MajorGCG]

First, it's way too early to talk about this.

Second, UGA didn't get screwed out of anything. If you don't win your conference you don't deserve to play for the NC. Hell, UGA didn't even win the EAST!! GTFOOH

The bowl system is antiquated. I want a playoff of the top 8-12 teams. I cant imagine how farkin awesome that would be.

 

[hippieki11er]

If Oklahoma and a SEC team go undefeated, they will play for the title. USC would be left out.

Would or should?

I assume you meant what you wrote, so please outline the support for your argument. Remember, this isn't about who 'should' go, which I've already said here and in other places that USC would be the 3rd who 'should' go.

The emotionless facts are these: USC would still be #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls and a close #3 in the computers behind OU, who would be a distant #2 in the computers behind UGA. But USC's #1 in the two polls would mean a lot more mathematically than being a slight #3 to OU in the computers, making USC the #2 overall.

So how do you figure OU could leap USC into the #2 overall BCS spot under these circumstances? The math simply wouldn't work.

Now, if UF is the undefeated SEC team (a MUCH more likely scenario instead of UGA), all of this gets MUCH more complicated and I really believe at that point dirty politics combined with recent BCS history (specifically OU's failures) would eventually give UF the nod over OU to face USC.

 

[guitarjosh]

That's how it SHOULD be...but that wont be how it would be. Media loves USC. No way they go undefeated and get left out. As long as they remain #1 in both polls (which they would), nothing the BCS could do about it.

Why? Because it looks like their SOS will be tougher? The purpose of the BCS isn't to pair the 2 teams with the best records and toughest SOS, but to make sure the best teams play. At least in theory.

 

[YourAllAmerican]

Perhaps we should wait until the calendar reads at least October before we start fretting over what MIGHT happen.

 

[BaldEagle]

As an SEC fan I can definately say that LSU's National Title last year was complete BS. They played a mediocre OSU team. LSU wasn't even the best team in the SEC last year much less the country. USC/UGA both were far superior at the end of the year. Unfortunately LSU got lucky and got in with 2 losses and Georgia didn't. I can't argue with Georgia being left out.. don't win your own side of the conference, you can't be the National Champs.

How quickly people forget about 4 months of all the frenzied "Game of the Year" hoopla when all USC did to hurt their chances was to give Ohio St. one motha of a beatdown. Anyone from the SEC that discredits that win doesn't think much of their last 2 national championships either.

 

[composite]

I love all the disrespect that Ohio State is getting...

Everyone's dissing tOSU b/c they got annihiliated by USC.

They forget that tOSU won 3 straight B10 titles and returned 18 starters from last year. Once Beanie gets healthy, they'll start beating up everyone else in the Big10.

tOSU wins the Big10, there's no way an undefeated USC should be left out.

 

[5-0SAT]

Florida is a fraud this year if you ask me. Mark my words, no SEC team will go undefeated, so it's a lost cause. And i'm not buying USC either, who the hell have they played, and who are they going to play the PAC 10 and Notre Dame. That's really hard, uuhhhhh. Stop it, it's week 5, theirs going to be a lot more to talk about later on. Start this thread in Week 10

 

[MajorGCG]

Just because no SEC team goes undefeated doesn't make UF a fraud. It's incredibly rare for an SEC team to go 11-0/12-0.