Oregon vs. Arizona State PAC 12 CHAMPIONSHIP

[AaronGodgers]

curious what you guys think the line will be in that one assuming they both take care of business.


I have the arizona vs. STATE game at a pickem so its no gimme but just thought it be a fun topic to get a jump on.


ps. i would probably play OVER whatever the total is in that game.



currently arizona state is 25-1 on 5dimes to win it all. gotta think if they run the table there aren't many ways they get left out...especially if UCLA can keep climbing in rankings.

 

[spokenword14]

Tucson is where top 10 teams go to die in November

 

[CoachCB]

Probably Oregon -6.5 and the over under will be 119.

 

[tmader7]

Probably Oregon -6.5 and the over under will be 119.

:hahahahah:hahahahah:hahahahah:hahahahah:hahahahah

119, hell, just blew some good Macallan right through both notrils, LOL.

~T~

 

[CoachCB]

:hahahahah:hahahahah:hahahahah:hahahahah:hahahahah

119, hell, just blew some good Macallan right through both notrils, LOL.

~T~

tm, I was (kinda) joking!!

 

[flashmo]

Tucson is where top 10 teams go to die in November

If they can hold their breath long enough

 

[8ate]

If they can hold their breath long enough

..West until ya smell it; south until ya step in it; That's how ya get to Tuscon.

 

[Addicted2quack]

Just speaking in terms of the obvious, both oregon and ASU should win their remaining games, but....... Rivalry games are always funny buisness.... Arizona is gonna come to play. Oregon state will come to play as well..... But, I woild imagine that oregon will have the easier game against Oregon state who is just flat out in a tailspin with their program. Asu is gonna run into a high octane offense that is an enigma. Sometimes they show up..... Other times they make you scratch their head..... I hope it's a pac 12 championship with asu and oregon each only having one loss. It would be a hell of a game

 

[thecruncher]

Shoot, anytime someone asks a "what if?" line I gotta' plug it into the ol' spreadsheet. On a neutral field, my final score projection is:

Oregon 44 -- ASU 35

Yeah, high-scoring as hell.

 

[LENBO]

I say Oregon 8.5 and I might be on the low side.

 

[DC.]

love both teams

but asu will give oregon a run for there money any time...healthy kelly and there running game with foster is a better 1-2 punch than just marcus

 

[flashmo]

..West until ya smell it; south until ya step in it; That's how ya get to Tuscon.

Arizona tried to give Tucson back to Mexico, but they wouldn't take it

 

[AaronGodgers]

i dont think 80 points is unreasonable for linesmakers to set this game at.

any takers on asu 2500 to win it all ?

any math gurus figure if a running parlay will potentially pay more? difficult to do when not knowing the 2 potential playoff opponents but they'd have to be catching 4 to 5 points minimum to any of the current top 6...if they faced alabama round 1 they'd be at least 7 point dogs.

 

[NukeTheBookies]

curious what you guys think the line will be in that one assuming they both take care of business.


I have the arizona vs. STATE game at a pickem so its no gimme but just thought it be a fun topic to get a jump on.


ps. i would probably play OVER whatever the total is in that game.



currently arizona state is 25-1 on 5dimes to win it all. gotta think if they run the table there aren't many ways they get left out...especially if UCLA can keep climbing in rankings.

Let's say none of the top teams lose with the exception of Miss St losing to Bama at Bama by 7 or less. From there Miss St wins out and so does ASU, FSU, TCU, Baylor, Bama, OSU. At that point, what do you do? (BTW, I think there is less than 5% chance of this happening but I'm curious what you do with the Big-10, OSU, and their laughable OOC schedule/record).

You'd basically have the following:

-FSU (undefeated ACC Champ / Defending National Champs) = In
-Alabama (1-loss SEC Champ) = In

Then you'd have to choose 2 from:

-OSU (1-loss Big-10 Champ)
-TCU & Baylor (1-Loss Co-Big12 Champs)
-Miss St (1-Loss SEC West Team that lost on the road to the #2 in the country by ~7 and was #1 all year)
-ASU (1-loss Pac12 Champ)

Everyone else is rooting for chaos and loses, I'm rooting for this scenario because I think this will be the real chaos. 7 legit teams and scenarios fighting for 2 spots. That would be nuts.

 

[Wanger]

love both teams

but asu will give oregon a run for there money any time...healthy kelly and there running game with foster is a better 1-2 punch than just marcus

Oregon's running game is more than just Mariota, Royce Freeman 170 carries 945 yards 14 TD's, Thomas Tyner 88 carries 387 yards 3 TD's, Byron Marshall 39 carries 307 yards 1 TD. Oregon is 16th in the country in rushing with a 232 avg while Arizona St is 48th with a 192 avg. The top 3 backs from Oregon beat the top 3 from Arizona St in almost every meaningful statistic.

 

[BernieVegas]

Let's say none of the top teams lose with the exception of Miss St losing to Bama at Bama by 7 or less. From there Miss St wins out and so does ASU, FSU, TCU, Baylor, Bama, OSU. At that point, what do you do? (BTW, I think there is less than 5% chance of this happening but I'm curious what you do with the Big-10, OSU, and their laughable OOC schedule/record).

You'd basically have the following:

-FSU (undefeated ACC Champ / Defending National Champs) = In
-Alabama (1-loss SEC Champ) = In

Then you'd have to choose 2 from:

-OSU (1-loss Big-10 Champ)
-TCU & Baylor (1-Loss Co-Big12 Champs)
-Miss St (1-Loss SEC West Team that lost on the road to the #2 in the country by ~7 and was #1 all year)
-ASU (1-loss Pac12 Champ)

Everyone else is rooting for chaos and loses, I'm rooting for this scenario because I think this will be the real chaos. 7 legit teams and scenarios fighting for 2 spots. That would be nuts.

I believe NukeTheBookies you have the scenario verrrrry close except you leaving out Oregon may mess up this equation. You being from Scottsdale may be the reason for the ASU HOMERISM!!!...but ASU could get there but they'd be a prohibitive dog in the PAC 12 championship game

Yours in Winners
BernieV

P.S. Ever go to Eli's in Scottsdale???

 

[AaronGodgers]

NUke - I think that in that scenario 2 you would have to cross off Ohio State right away. IMO, Ohio state has no chance of getting in unless they can take FSU's spot. that loss to V. tech was just incomparable to any of the other schools.
its still very tough but assuming ASU covers the spread and then went onto beat Oregon has a TD or more dog there is no way they'd be left out IMO especially if UCLA wins out.

btw guys. i think i figured out my own question on the parlay vs. taking ASU at 25-1 to win it all

they are -340 on moneyline this weekend. next vs. WSU i assume probably -600. against arizona i'm going to say -125. and then against oregon i'm going to say +210

plug those 4 into a parlay and you get about +740 odds. so that be 1 unit to make 7.4 and you wouldn't have to worry about committee leaving them out of playoffs but assuming they made it, you take that 8.4 units and put them on line against one of the other 3 teams. i dont see them being a favorite against anyone except maybe FSU so lets just say risking 8.4 to win 8.4 and now you got 16.8 units to risk on the final game and again its likely they are not the favorite and you got a solid chance at making at least 33.6 units on the running parlay.

 

[tmader7]

I don't see TCU losing the rest of the way out, so they're essentially in. I think Bama beats State Saturday, so if it's a close game, Stated could conceivably remain in the top four.....a blowout will probably enable ASU to move to 5. With Oregon in the 2 spot, that would set it up for ASU to get in....that is, if they run the table. FSU is not a lock to get in, everyone here is all over them taking out Miami on Saturday, Lee Corso might actually say "Not So Fast," to that. And they still have Florida last game, who might pull a rabbit out of their asses and do another Georgia. So yeah, I could see the Devils getting in, but they don't control their own destiny, they need a little help.

~T~

 

[AaronGodgers]

so your saying TCU wins out they are in for sure but you won't say the same about ASU who has a much tougher schedule here on out and doesn't have the asterik of losing to another team (baylor) that is breathing right down their neck???

i think in the end if TCU and baylor wins out the committee might just leave both them out assuming all other things in scenario two. they shouldn't be sending messages to teams/conferences but the fact that big 12 doesn't have a championship game is a joke and maybe they learn the hard way to get one.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

Ariona State is 3-1 S/U at Arizona in their last 4 meetings in Tucson. Arizona State probably has more talent and a better coaching staff. I expect them to run the table, as I do Oregon, who has a cakewalk into the Pac 12 CC game. Oregon has too much fire power for ASU. Baylor is eliminated unless TCU loses a game. The only chance of that happening is if they lay an egg on Turkey day at Texas. Ohio State really needs help. They need at least two teams ahead of them to lose, and probably more. I do see Alabama defeating Miss. State and Florida State defeating Miami, so my playoff picks are Florida State, Oregon, TCU and Alabama. One thing is for sure. If the SEC and Pac 12 Champs only have one loss, they are in, no matter who it is.