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[Dave007inVegas]

House GOP revolts against Boehner plan

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/26/house-gop-revolts-against-boehner-debt-plan/

House Republicans do not have enough support to pass their debt-ceiling increase plan on their own, a top conservative said Tuesday as his party’s leaders tried to cobble together a coalition of Republicans and Democrats to put the bill over the top.

“There are not 218 Republicans in support of this plan,” Rep. Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican who heads the powerful conservative caucus in the House, told reporters Tuesday morning.

Conservative Republicans in the House, many allied to the tea party movement, said they don’t just want votes on the amendment, they want an assurance it will be sent to the states. Mr. Jordan and other conservatives said they would prefer the Senate vote on the debt increase the House passed last week, that includes deeper spending cuts and requires both chambers approve a balanced budget amendment and submit it to states for ratification before any debt increase happens.

 

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[bodyforlife]

If Boehner brings the vote to the floor tomorrow, I suspect he will have the votes. It was just scored by the CBO and they claim it will cut exactly what he claims. The Democrats have refused to have the CBO score anything they have brought forward. I think it would be wise for them to pass it. If they do, the ball is in the Democrats court and if they choose not to pass it, then they will own the government shutdown (there will not be a default). With the amount of complaints coming in to the White House today (35,000 on last count....Obamacare was 50k), their will be enough pressure on them to do something. It also throws accountability on Obama's administration so if they disregard the parameters, the public will know. Obviously the only reason Obama want the longer range plan is for political purposes. He's really quite the putz, but the public is tired of the "boy who cried wolf" routine. The press conference the other night was his cry for attention because he has now been marginalized (which he should be).

 

[SmallDaddy]

There is your failure of leadership right there. Obama has his boys and girls under control, but Boner is standing all by his lonesome

 

[bodyforlife]

There is your failure of leadership right there. Obama has his boys and girls under control, but Boner is standing all by his lonesome

:lolBIG:

Hardly. They've taken him out of the picture or didn't you notice?

 

[SmallDaddy]

The problem is if Obama wants one things, Repubs AUTOMATICALLY want the opposite, even if they were for it in the first place.

Cantor wanted a long term deal originally, till Obama wanted it too, now Cantor wants a shorter one (unless he changed his mind again)

When Obama wanted to cut 4 trillion, Repubs AUTOMATICALLY wanted a smaller one

Repubs dont even want to agree to disagree

 

[bodyforlife]

The problem is if Obama wants one things, Repubs AUTOMATICALLY want the opposite, even if they were for it in the first place.

Cantor wanted a long term deal originally, till Obama wanted it too, now Cantor wants a shorter one (unless he changed his mind again)

When Obama wanted to cut 4 trillion, Repubs AUTOMATICALLY wanted a smaller one

Repubs dont even want to agree to disagree

One word should cover this reply....Bullshit!

 

[SmallDaddy]

One word should cover this reply....Bullshit!

here is the Cantor bit
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...position-to-short-term-increase-indefensible/

 

[bodyforlife]

Until you can show that Obama actually had a plan with specifics that can be judged by an independent, unbiased source (like the Republicans have), as far as I'm concerned.....you are full of shit. Let me repeat. Obama has never had a real plan so your statement is erroneous.

How soon we forget the shenanigans of the last cutback they claimed to have been making. Liberals are not going to pull a "fast" one on anybody this time.

 

[Willie99]

There is your failure of leadership right there. Obama has his boys and girls under control, but Boner is standing all by his lonesome

so now you're advocating lock step politics? I prefer people stand by their principles, and I appreciate a refreshing change

furthermore, not wanting to release the details of your proposal because you're afraid of criticisms is an absolute sign of weak leadership. Extremely weak.

It's like, "I can't win the battle of ideas, so I'll just bullshit my way through while belittling my opposition". fucking priceless

 

[russ1945]

Do as I say, not as I do. getting really old.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

This is novel approach, campaign on principles, promise to reduce the debt though spending cuts and balancing the budget.

Then when you actually get elected, you refuse to take back your promise.

Now I can understand how the Democrats can be puzzled by this, but what truly amuses me are the old school Republicans that can’t believe their newly elected colleagues actually have a spine.

Any plan that is not Cut, Cap and Balance should be rejected in the House and if Boehner wants to kick the can again he should step down and let Cantor assume leadership.

 

[Willie99]

Dave, I don't think they appreciate the fact that we're actually enjoying these developments

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Dave, I don't think they appreciate the fact that we're actually enjoying these developments

By they I assume you mean every politician that has made a career out of being a piece of fecal matter?

I’m loving the attitude of the Rand Paul’s, Michelle Bachman’s, Paul Ryan’s, Eric Cantor’s Jim Demint’s et al.

One of them needs to pull a Dick Cheney so he/she can move to the head of the class.

 

[bodyforlife]

Dave/Willie,

I'm torn on this one mostly because of the stupidity of the American Public. I'm all for the hard line approach taken by the congressmen you have listed. But as it stands, I'm convinced Obama is going down (regardless of what the idiots here and the press would lead you to believe). The economy is not going to improve by November 2012, and unemployment will probably be higher than it is now. Obama has created the biggest clusterfuck I've ever seen. With that said, the only thing Liberals have left is to demagogue to death (what else is new). This election is without a doubt the biggest in my lifetime. If Obama gets re-elected because somehow they can get into a blame game and have Republicans share ownership of the crap these Liberal policies have put us in, the country will have won a battle in this budget but lost the war. It is by far my biggest concern. And if our nation goes the route of socialism, there is not going to be anywhere you can turn. The U.S. is the last bastion left for true capitalism (which is why so many people of other countries flock to come here). Would hate to see it end.

I'd like to see what Boehner's plan looks like once the revision is made.

 

[Willie99]

By they I assume you mean every politician that has made a career out of being a piece of fecal matter?

I’m loving the attitude of the Rand Paul’s, Michelle Bachman’s, Paul Ryan’s, Eric Cantor’s Jim Demint’s et al.

One of them needs to pull a Dick Cheney so he/she can move to the head of the class.

I was thinking about liberals, but you can include politicians

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I was thinking about liberals, but you can include politicians

Fair enough, Liberals it is! :homer:

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Body, here’s the latest…

Washington barreled closer to crisis Tuesday as House Speaker John A. Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid scrambled to build support for rival plans to control the national debt, but both appeared doomed without significant bipartisan modifications.

House Republicans delayed a vote on Boehner’s bill, which had been set for Wednesday, after congressional budget analysts dealt the legislation a potentially devastating setback by saying it would save far less over the next decade than the $1.2 trillion advertised. The Congressional Budget Office projected that the spending cuts would save only about $850 billion over that period.

The news from the CBO alarmed conservatives, who were already balking at what they considered timid spending reductions. It also meant Boehner’s bill would not meet his own demand that the cuts exceed the size of the $900 billion debt-limit increase.

And even if Boehner revises the plan to suit conservatives, President Obama signaled that he would veto the measure because it would force another battle over the debt limit early next year.

Meanwhile, Reid (D-Nev.) pronounced the proposal “dead on arrival” in the Senate, where Democrats were struggling to rally votes for their own plan to raise the debt limit by $2.7 trillion — enough additional borrowing authority to cover the nation’s bills into 2013.

It looks like we’re headed toward what I’ve called for all along, conservatives not backing off what they were elected to do.

 

[bodyforlife]

If Boehner's plan was able to match what he was saying (and it does need modification at this point), I don't have a problem with Obama vetoing it. At which point, he would have had two options presented to him by Republicans, and his party would have said "no" to both. Then he owns it and he's toast. They can try all they want at that point to demagogue their way out it, because they won't be successful.

As the article you posted stated (and I completely agree with it), Obama is in a free fall right now. I just want to see him finish his fall off the cliff (without being able to grab a branch on the way down) so we won't have to deal with the Liberal bullshit for at least a decade . Right now, the Republicans are not going to lose the House. If they get the Presidency, there's probably a good chance the Senate will follow. And that will complete the biggest fuck-up of all time for Liberals (still amazed how badly they could screw things up to turn the public against them that badly in such a short period of time...November was sweet). The Republicans can completely reverse course at that point and undo some of this crap.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Body, When cut cap and balance passed that should have been the end of discussions. Here you go Mr. President, take it or leave it.

All this jerking around by Boehner got the GOP where?

Division in the ranks, members sniping at each other, what good does that do?

BO won’t except any Conservative plan and Reid won’t even let one come to a vote. So it’s the same old Washington two step. I say hold firm and see what happens.

Let BO make the next move. Whatever that may be.