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Haven't been around for a little and my reading is also being
neglected. Just got to this article and I thought most of you
would appreciate it.

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=640 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=498><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=10 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>US News and World Report
December 27, 2004 Editorial: A Bright Hope to be Realized

By Mortimer B. Zuckerman

Something like a hundred million Americans suffering from disease and the incubus of age hold out hope that relief may come one day from regenerative medicine, meaning that science may be able to reprogram the human body so that it can heal itself and impede many of the symptoms of senescence. The promise lies in so-called stem cells. Having nursed her husband through a long twilight of Alzheimer's disease, one of the many age-related maladies stem cells could potentially cure, Nancy Reagan wants to see stem-cell research accelerated, but even her poignant advocacy has not persuaded those who object to such research on political, religious, and ethical grounds to yield.

Embryonic stem cells are taken from a blastocyst--a ball of cells about the size of a pinpoint that evolves within five or six days after an egg has been fertilized by a sperm. Stem cells can mature into any component of the body. Three years ago, President Bush announced that only pre-2001 embryonic stem-cell lines could be used in federally funded research. There were enough of these lines, more than 60, the president said, for adequate research purposes.

The plan, as many suspected at the time, has not worked. As it happens, there were far fewer lines--22 is the most common figure--and many were flawed. Since then, clean embryonic stem cells have been developed in the private sector, but they will never be a substitute for the broad access to stem-cell lines and the vast funding and research capacity of the National Institutes of Health. As one observer puts it, relying on private money is "like saying we should open the public schools from 10 [a.m.] to 10:15 [a.m.], but you're welcome to send your kids to private schools."

The best and the brightest. Some 70 percent of all Americans support stem-cell research. California voters just approved a $3 billion, 10-year research program. Other states are likely to follow. But this isn't the best solution. States simply cannot muster and focus the resources to repeat the great successes of American science and medicine. Think Manhattan Project. When we need to do something really big, we throw our best and brightest minds at the problem, then make sure they have every resource they need to get the job done. At the NIH, administrators award 40,000 grants a year, poring over the many applications to find the most promising and important research projects. Reliance on sporadic state-by-state initiatives in stem-cell research simply will not guarantee that the best proposals will be identified and funded.

A national stem-cell program could organize teams to tackle complex problems and avoid duplication; evaluate diseases most susceptible to attack; ensure that research findings are transparent; establish ethical guidelines for the use of human tissues in research; and, finally, decide at what point treatments could progress to human trials.

Limiting research to the private sector, on the other hand, means inhibiting the dissemination of results because private firms, naturally, want to profit from successful research and not share it with competitors. In short, the enormity of the research task and the breathtaking medical potential of stem cells make it more than abundantly clear that relying on either the private sector or individual states is not the recipe for success.

The real question, then, is how to amend the Bush policy in a way that might be acceptable to all. One possibility? In vitro fertilization technology, which is yielding growing numbers of frozen human embryos, many that will never be used and could be the source of new stem-cell lines. Fertility clinics destroy far more human embryos than stem-cell research ever will, so we need to ask: Does a human embryo on a dish in a fertility clinic, inevitably bound for destruction, have the same moral status as the lives of real children and adults suffering from disabling and fatal diseases? Like abortion, the answer in part converges on the question of when human life begins.

Some 58 senators now seek a change in the Bush policy, including 14 Republicans. "There is no greater way to promote life," says Utah's Orrin Hatch, "than to find a way to defeat death, and . . . stem-cell research may provide a way to do that." Hatch, a foe of abortion, concluded that an embryo in a laboratory dish can be used for stem-cell research because it has no capacity to develop into a person: "Only after an embryo is transferred into a woman's womb . . . is that natural capacity to become a person attained, and only then does the government gain an interest in protecting that entity." Provided the research is restricted to such cells, and federally supervised, is it not a sensible and moral way to accelerate the time when the fruits of this research can relieve human suffering?


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so.
The socialist statist approach is vastly superior and should be utilised for really important areas such as this.


I'll drink to that
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I think the government should do this research. But if and when cures are found shouldn't the taxpayers who funded it be able to recoup some of the cost? When cures are found doesn't this research become public knowledge and in turn available for private companies to profit from?
 

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If you think of it in terms of the Manhattan Project, or big military projects like the GPS system or the internet the Government tends to get its cash back via Licencing and contracts for private companies who get access to the technology and develop it further.
They make money out of it and taxes/jobs for the public are a part of the repayment for the Government, plus the private co's who are successful help keep that country at the forefront of that particular technology.

The initial cost/risk is borne by the State.

Refining it and squeezing a profit tends to be done by private companies.


Um...as far as making it cheap and freely available is concerned...

I think you might need to change your health system :>Grin>


Cheap/Free healthcare is for those of us who live in socialist hellholes like the UK.
 

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The article is hosted by an organization called "Coalition for the Advancement of Medical Research", so I automatically have some suspicion about the complete truthfulness of the article.

That being said, I fully support all research that might improve the quality of life for anyone.
I hate to say this, because it will be like a shot of heroine for Doc Mullah - but Bush is wrong on this one
 
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bblight:

How would you be able to digest this article?

It would take the ability to read and that rules you out ...

did you have to get your Male lover to read this article for you?
 

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Doc Mullah - You're groping around for the insults there, aren't you? I'm sure you can come up with something a little bit more substantial than those pebbles.

Doc Mullah - I don't want to hurt your feelings here, but when it comes to insults, you are intellectually retarded - I suggest that you go to the local library and read a few books on the art of the insult.
 

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The problem with publicly funding research projects such as this one is there is basically no accountability for possible inefficiency. Why wouldn't the researchers try to stretch their research out for as long as possible to receive maximum funding? They'd be offering up giving progress reports every so often saying "wow, we're really close to something big...so keep those dollars coming." Rinse, lather, and repeat every few months. And these people want to do this on a national level? Jesus Christ...talk about a massive beuracracy of the highest order.

A buddy of mine who lives in OC is a medical exec who has been in the field for over 15 years, and basically thinks this is nothing more than a gigantic money grab. To quote him: "Trust me...nobody is going to be jumping out of their wheelchairs as a result of stem cell research."

Also, remind me again why this can't just be funded privately?
 
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Crawl back into your hole ....

Again simple question ... WHICH YOU REFUSE TO ADDRESS:

NOT ONE TIME have you ever shown any sympathy for American soldiers that are dying daily in a war that you love so much ... Why is that?

Again, NOT ONE TIME have you posted showing any concern for our American soliders ... you define truely what a TRAITOR is

Again, crawl back into your hole as no one gives a damn about your BS caveman outlook on life ..
 

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JDeuce said:
Also, remind me again why this can't just be funded privately?
Apparently because the potential is so massive.
But your buddy sez its a scam so lets not do it. :>Grin> :>Grin> :>Grin>

Why wasn't the Manhattan Project privately funded?
Why wasn't the GPS/Satellite system privately funded?
Why wasn't the original Internet privately funded?
Why wasn't the Interstate highway system privately funded?

Why wasn't the first transcontinental US railway privately funded?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Transcontinental_Railroad_(North_America)

Stop acting dumb and do some research.

Private capital is too limited and risk-averse for large scale strategic projects.

There's enough 'lets act thick' slaphead righties on the board as it is.

(Phaedrus is about the the only one that actually builds a case for stuff.)
 
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Why wasn't the Manhattan Project privately funded?
Why wasn't the GPS/Satellite system privately funded?
Why wasn't the original Internet privately funded?
Why wasn't the Interstate highway system privately funded?
Those were all for military purposes originally...
So under the soverign goverment of eekanistan (located close to the border of Shitcanistan) there would never be these thing cause your 3rd world dillusional utopian with champagne taste like most pablum puking,twinkle toed half ass communist that hates the military and projects like these would never go forward.
 

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Patriot said:
Those were all for military purposes originally...
So under the soverign goverment of eekanistan (located close to the border of Shitcanistan) there would never be these thing cause your 3rd world dillusional utopian with champagne taste like most pablum puking,twinkle toed half ass communist that hates the military and projects like these would never go forward.

What the *** does this mean?
 

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