Oh Well,Terrible news for Lander and Kerry>>

[PatPatriot]

Just reported on CNN and Fox that Sadrs militia have fled Karbala and city is quiet as a mouse with citizens pointing out weapons caches..Iraqy police now taking over city.
Also the so called wedding party that got wiped out was in fact a safe house for insurgents...but the focus in the NY Times seem to be the latest atrocites of prison abuses which include prisoners being thrown at with nerf football (no shit)...these are the same abuses that have gone unchecked through day care centers in USA...conteversy will surly be spread to wether nerf ball has been UL approved.

 

[lander]

Yeah, there were alot of nerf balls in those photos

 

[PatPatriot]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 11:48 a.m. EDT
Latest Abu Ghraib Horror: Nerf Torture

Documents obtained by the New York Times show that U.S. interrogators at Baghdad's notorious Abu Ghraib prison had devised a diabolically gruesome new tactic to abuse innocent Iraqi terror suspects: Nerf torture.

"One of the M.P.'s took a Nerf football and threw it at the detainees," Specialist Roman Krol, a reservist with the 325th Military Intelligence Battallion, revealed to Army interrogators who grilled him about the horrors of Abu Ghraib - the Times said Saturday.

The Nerf football and other Nerf toys are foam rubber objects designed to protect small children who play with them from injuries. One of the most popular - the Nerf bat - is routinely used by four-year-olds to beat the daylights out of each without a hint of pain or injury.

In an apparent oversight, the Geneva Convention makes no mention of protecting P.O.W.'s from abuse by Nerf toys.

Revealing another despicable tactic that's sure to have Democrats on Capitol Hill demanding accountability, Kroll told investigators "another M.P. threw water at the detainees."

"I had never seen anything like that before," the stunned soldier added.

In an even more sinister development, U.S. M.P.s appear to have been able to persuade some Iraqi detainees to abuse themselves without any physical or psychological intimidation whatsoever.

According to the Times, Sgt. Neil Wallin told investigators that he had seen "a video in which a prisoner known to smear himself with his own feces repeatedly banged his head against the wall, 'very hard.'"

It's not yet clear how U.S. guards were responsible for the prisoner's self-inflicted injuries, but the Times hinted in an accompanying editorial that ultimately the blame for all of the Abu Ghraib abuses rests with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon is preparing for what the paper described as "an influx of compensation claims" by abused Iraqi terror suspects.

So far at least, Abu Ghraib's Nerf torture victims have yet to file any legal claims.

 

[lander]

Yeah, it's an assinine article, but it certainly doesn't undo the known tortures.

 

[lander]

Patriot,
Don't group me with flip-flop.

The only good things about him are
1. He's not Bush
2. He's not a Neo-con

 

[PatPatriot]

What it does is highlight the the media hysteria and hate they have for Bush....Anybody with a pulse understands this and in fact works against them (media and Kerry)Thats why Kerry has not gained in polls (appreciably).
What bothered me was a report I saw on the prison in which there were like 5000 detainees guarded by a handfull of 20 year old soldiers.It made me sick.This is Rumsfelds area,and is absurd that he could have been that shortsighted and planned so poorly.If you tell the pres. that your good to go and your not and fails then he should go.

 

[jimbutorac]

Patriot,

I'm for Kerry in this election, but the Karbala news is good for the Armed forces and good for America.

In the fog of war - shvt happens. I think it will be a while before the "wedding party" gets sorted out.

I do think that Abu Gharib incident will get worse - it now sounds like detainees were actually killed in custody - no excuse for that.

And yes as I've posted before, Rumsfeld fvcked up by ignoring the advice of his generals in a pompous arrogant way and not having enough boots on the ground. IMO, he should be pilloried in public and Bush should be fired for backing Rumsfeld by saying he did a "superb job". Rumsfeld should be thrown onto the scrap heap of dishonored Secretaries of Defense right next to bob McNamara, the architect of the Viet Nam War.