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No, you just care about round numbered milestones....thats all.

See ya at 3000, loser.

Funny theyll take a stab at the civilian death toll and the govt gives them the military death toll but always fail to mention even in the most general of terms the amount of "resilient insurgents" that may have been killed.

The Islamic freedom fighters use the press as a weapon....you are their bullets.

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Just another pathetic wingnut claiming that news can't be reported because the truth might give comfort to the enemy.
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Iraq Releases Captured Zarqawi/Al-Qaeda Document Indicating Defeat Of Resistance At Hand


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June 15, 2006 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - The following al-Qaeda document was translated by the government of Iraq and provided to the press by the Iraqi Defense Minister Mouwafak al-Rubaie, a Sunni. It shows, as does a similar document provided here at PipeLineNews.org [May 8, 2006] Translated Iraqi Document Shows Al-Qaeda In Disarray And Dependant On Lefty Media that the Iraqi resistance is being crushed, that they are realizing this and that consequently they are running out of hope, unless they can enlist their allies in the Western and American press to carry their water for them.
Immediately below an excerpt from the above linked article:
..."the Americans and the Government were able to absorb our painful blows, sustain them, compensate their losses with new replacements, and follow strategic plans which allowed them in the past few years to take control of Baghdad as well as other areas one after the other. That is why every year is worse than the previous year..."
Moreover the "mujahadeen" are completely and totally reliant upon the main stream leftist media to do their bidding and have developed their strategy along the lines of getting as many IED attacks on television as possible - thank you CBS, NBC, ABC & CNN. "The policy followed by the brothers in Baghdad is a media oriented policy...Other word, the significance of the strategy of their work is to show in the media that the American and the government do not control the situation and there is resistance against them. This policy dragged us to the type of operations that are attracted to the media..."

Below the text of the Zarqawi document released today by the Iraqi Defense Minister.
The situation and conditions of the resistance in Iraq have reached a point that requires a review of the events and of the work being done inside Iraq. Such a study is needed in order to show the best means to accomplish the required goals, especially that the forces of the National Guard have succeeded in forming an enormous shield protecting the American forces and have reduced substantially the losses that were solely suffered by the American forces. This is in addition to the role, played by the Shi'a (the leadership and masses) by supporting the occupation, working to defeat the resistance and by informing on its elements.
As an overall picture, time has been an element in affecting negatively the forces of the occupying countries, due to the losses they sustain economically in human lives, which are increasing with time. However, here in Iraq, time is now beginning to be of service to the American forces and harmful to the resistance for the following reasons:
1. By allowing the American forces to form the forces of the National Guard, to reinforce them and enable them to undertake military operations against the resistance.
2. By undertaking massive arrest operations, invading regions that have an impact on the resistance, and hence causing the resistance to lose many of its elements.
3. By undertaking a media campaign against the resistance resulting in weakening its influence inside the country and presenting its work as harmful to the population rather than being beneficial to the population.
4. By tightening the resistance's financial outlets, restricting its moral options and by confiscating its ammunition and weapons.
5. By creating a big division among the ranks of the resistance and jeopardizing its attack operations, it has weakened its influence and internal support of its elements, thus resulting in a decline of the resistance's assaults.
6. By allowing an increase in the number of countries and elements supporting the occupation or at least allowing to become neutral in their stand toward us in contrast to their previous stand or refusal of the occupation.
7. By taking advantage of the resistance's mistakes and magnifying them in order to misinform.
Based on the above points, it became necessary that these matters should be treated one by one:
1. To improve the image of the resistance in society, increase the number of supporters who are refusing occupation and show the clash of interest between society and the occupation and its collaborators. To use the media for spreading an effective and creative image of the resistance.
2. To assist some of the people of the resistance to infiltrate the ranks of the National Guard in order to spy on them for the purpose of weakening the ranks of the National Guard when necessary, and to be able to use their modern weapons.
3. To reorganize for recruiting new elements for the resistance.
4. To establish centers and factories to produce and manufacture and improve on weapons and to produce new ones.
5. To unify the ranks of the resistance, to prevent controversies and prejudice and to adhere to piety and follow the leadership.
6. To create division and strife between American and other countries and among the elements disagreeing with it.
7. To avoid mistakes that will blemish the image of the resistance and show it as the enemy of the nation.
In general and despite the current bleak situation, we think that the best suggestions in order to get out of this crisis is to entangle the American forces into another war against another country or with another of our enemy force, that is to try and inflame the situation between American and Iraq or between America and the Shi'a in general.
Specifically the Sistani Shi'a, since most of the support that the Americans are getting is from the Sistani Shi'a, then, there is a possibility to instill differences between them and to weaken the support line between them; in addition to the losses we can inflict on both parties.
Consequently, to embroil America in another war against another enemy is the answer that we find to be the most appropriate, and to have a war through a delegate has the following benefits:
1. To occupy the Americans by another front will allow the resistance freedom of movement and alleviate the pressure imposed on it.
2. To dissolve the cohesion between the Americans and the Shi'a will weaken and close this front.
3. To have a loss of trust between the Americans and the Shi'a will cause the Americans to lose many of their spies.
4. To involve both parties, the Americans and the Shi'a, in a war that will result in both parties being losers.
5. Thus, the Americans will be forced to ask the Sunni for help.
6. To take advantage of some of the Shia elements that will allow the resistance to move among them.
7. To weaken the media's side which is presenting a tarnished image of the resistance, mainly conveyed by the Shi'a.
8. To enlarge the geographical area of the resistance movement.
9. To provide popular support and cooperation by the people.
The resistance fighters have learned from the result and the great benefits they reaped, when a struggle ensued between the Americans and the Army of Al-Mahdi. However, we have to notice that this trouble or this delegated war that must be ignited can be accomplished through:
1. A war between the Shi'a and the Americans.
2. A war between the Shi'a and the secular population (such as Ayad 'Alawi and al-Jalabi.)
3. A war between the Shi'a and the Kurds.
4. A war between Ahmad al-Halabi and his people and Ayad 'Alawi and his people.
5. A war between the group of al-Hakim and the group of al-Sadr.
6. A war between the Shi'a of Iraq and the Sunni of the Arab countries in the gulf.
7. A war between the Americans and Iraq. We have noticed that the best of these wars to be ignited is the one between the Americans and Iran, because it will have many benefits in favor of the Sunni and the resistance, such as:
1. Freeing the Sunni people in Iraq, who are (30 percent) of the population and under the Shi'a Rule.
2. Drowning the Americans in another war that will engage many of their forces.
3. The possibility of acquiring new weapons from the Iranian side, either after the fall of Iran or during the battles.
4. To entice Iran towards helping the resistance because of its need for its help.
5. Weakening the Shi'a supply line.
The question remains, how to draw the Americans into fighting a war against Iran? It is not known whether American is serious in its animosity towards Iraq, because of the big support Iran is offering to America in its war in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Hence, it is necessary first to exaggerate the Iranian danger and to convince America and the west in general, of the real danger coming from Iran, and this would be done by the following:
1. By disseminating threatening messages against American interests and the American people and attribute them to a Shi'a Iranian side.
2. By executing operations of kidnapping hostages and implicating the Shi'a Iranian side.
3. By advertising that Iran has chemical and nuclear weapons and is threatening the west with these weapons.
4. By executing exploding operations in the west and accusing Iran by planting Iranian Shi'a fingerprints and evidence.
5. By declaring the existence of a relationship between Iran and terrorist groups (as termed by the Americans).
6. By disseminating bogus messages about confessions showing that Iran is in possession of weapons of mass destruction or that there are attempts by the Iranian intelligence to undertake terrorist operations in America and the west and against western interests. Let us hope for success and for God's help.
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Come on Pat...you know Karl Rove had Zarqawi on the payroll. This is just another diversion to keep people from knowing how bad George Bush's poll numbers really are.
 

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So the big troop drawdown should be happening in the next 12 months.
Is that right Pat ?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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[A troop drawdown would be good for 2008 so surely they'll pull a few out anyway ? No ?]
Under 100,000 by 2008.
Whaddaya say Pat ?

Whats your year for under 100k troops buddy ?
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When the job is done and Iraq can funtion on its own...not when the Ny Times,BBC and Martha Murtha puts up it phoney timetables.
Although I do see some reduction in sept/Octber just before the midterm elections to be honest,thats not a move the Bushies invented by the way.
 

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Sooo...despite the non-stop good news and the imminent destruction of the bad guys....you're not sure if less than 100,000 troops is possible in the foreseable future.

Why are you so uncertain ?
 

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That question is above my pay grade eekster....i know your concerns,eek. If there are not troops over there.The chances of succeeding are zero.If the troops remain there there is that possible leftist nightmare it could turn out all right.
 

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You're a genuine believer Pat.

Most righties in here wave pom poms and play dodgeball because they aint got a clue whether you guys should be in Iraq.

You're in favour of being over there, kicking ass and taking names.

Anyways.
So the jurys still out for a while at least.
 

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You're in favour of being over there, kicking ass and taking names.
I'm a firm believer in human nature. I know how people react to weakness and lack of commitment.
OBL and the most elements in the mideast believed and rightly so that the west was/is soft weak spiritually in mind and in commitment and will.And by the events in the 90's and 9/11 nothing there was to prove that wrong and he still may be right.They go by the rules of the jungle.the strong survive and weak succumb to the strong.And what these flighty, light in the loafers liberals have a hard time understanding its prevelant in everday society.
In other words you don't bring a lawyer to a gunfight,you don't bring a petition to a gunfight and you don't bring Dominque Villepine to a gunfight, although you may bring him to see "The Chorus line".
Its a clash of civilizations,you people ought to wake the fuck up to it and face it now because its not going away unless we force it away.The larger it grows the more rights have to be taken away to protect innocents to walk down the street.You people bitch about rights taken away,if you get rid of this terroism elemnet you also get rid of the goverments excuse to tighten up on personal rights.
 

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Pat Patriot said:
That question is above my pay grade eekster....i know your concerns,eek. If there are not troops over there.The chances of succeeding are zero.If the troops remain there there is that possible leftist nightmare it could turn out all right.

But I thought all that stuff we've been reading about how the insurgency is giving the high hard one to the gov't over there was just a psy-ops campaign by Zarqawi that the American media fell for, hook line and sinker?

I mean, now that we know that all that bad news was exaggerated just to get a rise out of us, why can't the war be over, then?

(ps. A shoe bomber killed ten people in a mosque this morning. Damn media, when will they learn this is just propaganda?!?!)
 

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I mean, now that we know that all that bad news was exaggerated just to get a rise out of us, why can't the war be over, then?

(ps. A shoe bomber killed ten people in a mosque this morning. Damn media, when will they learn this is just propaganda?!?!)
Because the iraqi govt. thats been in place for almost 7 days now dosen't have the muscle or the crdeibility to get the job done.

#2 I thought this terroism thing is just overblown USG propaganda?

Your always going to have an elemnet of terroism. The point is to minimize it and have some control over it,so the Iraqy goverment can't get on its feet.
I mean i don't even understand even if you were against the war why you would want to turn away now if there is a chance of succeeding unless its for just purley anti Bush agenda period?
(By succeding I mean leaving it a better place then when we came.)
 

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Pat Patriot said:
Because the iraqi govt. thats been in place for almost 7 days now dosen't have the muscle or the crdeibility to get the job done.

#2 I thought this terroism thing is just overblown USG propaganda?

Your always going to have an elemnet of terroism. The point is to minimize it and have some control over it,so the Iraqy goverment can't get on its feet.
I mean i don't even understand even if you were against the war why you would want to turn away now if there is a chance of succeeding unless its for just purley anti Bush agenda period?
(By succeding I mean leaving it a better place then when we came.)

Pat, you're avoiding the point. Quite intentionally, I might add.

You specifically start this thread to show us how Zarqawi manipulated the media to make the situation on the ground seem much much worse than it is, and to drive American support against this war (as though Bush were incapable of doing so, entirely on his own.) If that's not the case, and the situation on the ground isn't better than it's been portrayed, what is your point with this thread?

(ps. For the real answer, see my new thread on Zarqawi.)
 

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You specifically start this thread to show us how Zarqawi manipulated the media to make the situation on the ground seem much much worse than it is, and to drive American support against this war (as though Bush were incapable of doing so, entirely on his own.) If that's not the case, and the situation on the ground isn't better than it's been portrayed, what is your point with this thread?

Lovey i never once said that Z was the start all end all.My point was that it is IN FACT part of the Al Q strategy.I brought this up simply to reply to D2 that we on the right are not nuts to think that they don't use and manipulate the media against US goals.
Now with Z and company (some of it at least) out of the way lets see if things improve give it more than week please.
 

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Pat Patriot said:
Lovey i never once said that Z was the start all end all.My point was that it is IN FACT part of the Al Q strategy.I brought this up simply to reply to D2 that we on the right are not nuts to think that they don't use and manipulate the media against US goals.

Okay, so we've established that propaganda is a fact of war, on both sides. And that, insofar as Zarqawi is concerned, there was plenty of propaganda for all.

Giddy up.

Now with Z and company (some of it at least) out of the way lets see if things improve give it more than week please.

What are the odds, really, in your view, that things will improve with any great significance because of Zarqawi's death? The headlines look the same to me: Suicide Blast Kills ____ Outside of Baghdad ______.
 

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Liberals: "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa....are we there yet? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... I need my poopie changed. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..."

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