Obama's first order of business - Exec Order to close Gitmo

[barman]

I'm so happy that while our country's federal and state budgets wallow in massive debt, our federal tax dollars are helping make "other countries better".

 

[fletchisrhsm]

I'm so happy that while our country's federal and state budgets wallow in massive debt, our federal tax dollars are helping make "other countries better".

You havent seen anything yet dude. :missingte

 

[tiznow]

I'm so happy that while our country's federal and state budgets wallow in massive debt, our federal tax dollars are helping make "other countries better".

yeah you took the words right outta my mouth as far as willie's little map

 

[tiznow]

You havent seen anything yet dude. :missingte

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:drink:

 

[Preussen]

No Punter, you loonies are sooooo blinded by hate you can't sniff a fucking clue. The greater the US military presence, the better off the country is.

Stone cold fucking fact

"Stone cold fucking fact?"

Go through each of the countries and ask yourself if they really all are prospering, and of those who are undoubtedly prospering, ask yourself how many of them would be just as prosperous if there were no American military presence.
I mean, are you really saying that, for example, Iraq and Somalia are peaceful and prosperous? Or that the comparative prosperity of, say, Japan, Germany and GB is because of American military presence, while countries like Switzerland and Sweden must be poor because there is no American military, right?

 

[Willie99]

I'm so happy that while our country's federal and state budgets wallow in massive debt, our federal tax dollars are helping make "other countries better".

Well, there is a significant benefit to having peace in the world.

and, as other countries improve their economic standing, they buy more imports. Remember that worldwide economy stuff?

So, it's not just throwing away money.

However, this is throwing away money. Obama is going to start using taxpayers' money to pay for international abortions . You must be happier than a pig in shit. I bet you got tingles in your leg.

 

[Willie99]

"Stone cold fucking fact?"

Go through each of the countries and ask yourself if they really all are prospering, and of those who are undoubtedly prospering, ask yourself how many of them would be just as prosperous if there were no American military presence.
I mean, are you really saying that, for example, Iraq and Somalia are peaceful and prosperous? Or that the comparative prosperity of, say, Japan, Germany and GB is because of American military presence, while countries like Switzerland and Sweden must be poor because there is no American military, right?

Iraq is moving in that direction, our presence in Somalia is fractional, or just plan simply insignificant. Do you think if we had a significant presence there, their situation wouldn't be dramatically improved?

All of Europe benefited from our military presence post WWII, as we brought security, peace and rebuilding efforts to those countries. Japan, ditto. South Korea? ditto. Iraqis' future looking better than ever and Afghanistan is actually developing an infrastructure for a change.

It's not to difficult to see the truth. the more blue a country, the more likely they're better off than the gray countries. You actually have to be kinda blind to not see the differences.

The worst places in the world have no American presence.

 

[punter]

Joe C had a similar map that he drug out from time to time. Are you morphing into Joe Willie?

 

[Willie99]

I actually learned of this through Joe.

 

[barman]

Well, there is a significant benefit to having peace in the world.

and, as other countries improve their economic standing, they buy more imports. Remember that worldwide economy stuff?

So, it's not just throwing away money.

However, this is throwing away money. Obama is going to start using taxpayers' money to pay for international abortions . You must be happier than a pig in shit. I bet you got tingles in your leg.

You presume a causative effect between having the US military presence and a peaceful society. It's reasonable to submit that since the 1970s, everywhere the US military is occupied would still be just as peaceful and prosperous were they not there.

As for the latter quip, I'm certainly pleased to see that more women who want to terminate unwanted embryos and fetuses will have easier access.

This is indeed a huge money saver on a global scale since having an unwanted baby may well create the biggest finanicial albatross any woman and her family could ever create.

And with increased accurate education on how to plan pregnancies combined with increased access to contraception, we'll further reduce unwanted pregnancies and unwanted babies.

Put thousands (or tens of thousands) of those women in one region and we're going to see increased financial and social health for the world at large.

 

[Preussen]

Iraq is moving in that direction, our presence in Somalia is fractional, or just plan simply insignificant. Do you think if we had a significant presence there, their situation wouldn't be dramatically improved?

All of Europe benefited from our military presence post WWII, as we brought security, peace and rebuilding efforts to those countries. Japan, ditto. South Korea? ditto. Iraqis' future looking better than ever and Afghanistan is actually developing an infrastructure for a change.

It's not to difficult to see the truth. the more blue a country, the more likely they're better off than the gray countries. You actually have to be kinda blind to not see the differences.
The worst places in the world have no American presence.

Nonsense.
I'm too lazy to go into the questions of WWII and NATO/Warsaw Pact, but at least in the last twenty years there has not been any security reasons for U.S. troops to remain in Europe, and the economy of Europe most certainly did not need them.
Japan is another nice example. Do you really believe Japan would be worse off if American military had never been in the country?
Or take South and Central America - can you honestly say that people live better in those light blue countries than in the grey ones?

Of course many countries with American presence are prosperous, but so are others without it. Joe C. absolutely failed to show that, on average, countries with U.S. military presence would be worse off without it, and unless you can do better you will have to realise that repeating talking points does not mean you are right.

 

[OnWisconsin]

Which is why I don't see the problem of housing them here on mainland soil. Yea people are gonna bitch about cost of prisonors, etc, etc. Shit, we already spend heavy coin on our current penal system. Whats 60 extra people who actually deserve being in prison?

yeah, let's house 'em here! all the people who cried for equal rights for terrorists seem to like the idea. shit, i like this idea too. you got any idea how a middle eastern terroist would be treated in the U.S. prison system?