Obama's first order of business - Exec Order to close Gitmo

[3peet]

also based on what has happened there

i'm assuming they probably have a pretty good handle on who is a threat and who isn't so that'll help them sort it out individual case to individual case

but like i said regardless of what they do with them etc...

the key point to it all is it will be no more and sends a good message to the world

and lets people know this is the land of the free where we will not stoop to the level of our terrorist enemies and falsely imprison, torture etc....

My point exactly. I give our government and itelligence alot of credit in alteast figuring out that much. I know there was a mess of people they had to sift through. But in the end and after all this time, i'm sure they know who the players are and ...well who the fat is.

On your second point I agree with. Absolutely. I never believed in being a bully to the world. Its just bad karma. Yes we have a mighty military. But its just plain stupid to use it for our benefit or moreso for world domination. At one time we were a superpower yes. But with the the way the world is a smaller place now, we have neither the money nor the resources to be fucking around depleteing our army for usless reasons. They (Neocons) started this war to profit from it and to rule. To believe otherwise is blind. Now its time to clean this mess up with diplomacy. It's alot smarter. The neocons were too paranoid fearing there's a suitcase bomb around the corner or anthrax dusted envelope in their mailboxes.

 

[Risk44]

Back to the thread topic... was just wondering how many CHRISTIAN REPUBLICANS condone TORTURE? Would Jesus be for Torture? What exactly would Jesus do? wwjd? u call urslef a Christian but want to torture people???

 

[guitarjosh]

Back to the thread topic... was just wondering how many CHRISTIAN REPUBLICANS condone TORTURE? Would Jesus be for Torture? What exactly would Jesus do? wwjd? u call urslef a Christian but want to torture people???

Define torture.

 

[3peet]

Torture doesn't work. Never has. You can solder a mans sack to a hot iron. He might even tell you he's jerked to his older sister since puberty. Don't mean its true.

 

[punter]

Define torture.

Causing a person physical or mental discomfort for your self satisfaction or to derive your need.

 

[guitarjosh]

Causing a person physical or mental discomfort for your self satisfaction or to derive your need.

How intense is the discomfort? I'm against breaking bones and stuff like that, but I have no problem if POWs break a sweat because the a/c is set to 85.

 

[Willie99]

Tizdoom, your article states "many don't want to go home for fear of being tortured".

Does anyone else see the irony in this?

hno:hno:hno::lol::lol:and a no fucking shit, eh?

 

[Willie99]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]A lie told often enough becomes the truth. [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]That’s what propaganda does. It disorients, deflects logical thinking, and disguises the truth so that it cannot be recognized.

And we do have one powerful enabling propaganda machine.

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[fletchisrhsm]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]A lie told often enough becomes the truth. [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]That’s what propaganda does. It disorients, deflects logical thinking, and disguises the truth so that it cannot be recognized.

And we do have one powerful enabling propaganda machine.

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Remember "Weapons of mass destruction" ?

Thus is why i say:

Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Oven...

 

[Willie99]

Ah, but Saddam had WMD, Saddam used WMD, Saddam didn't cooperate with weapons inspectors, Saddam violated scores of UN resolutions, Saddam started two wars, Saddam financed terrorism, Saddam provided a safe haven for terrorists, Saddam wanted and tried to have WMD, and the whole world believed Saddam had WMD. Even the Democrats believed all of the above, that wasn't the debate.The debate was about how to respond to him, and was war really necessary.

In retrospect, the sanctions worked better than anyone thought, and the worldwide intelligence commitee was wrong.

Once again, just another weak analogy you try to fit into your cookie cutter mold. Square peg doesn't go into round circle.

Bring your "A" game or don't come at all. Keep that weak ass shit out of the lane. You're flopping around the court like a fuckin Dookie.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Ah, but Saddam had WMD, Saddam used WMD, Saddam didn't cooperate with weapons inspectors, Saddam violated scores of UN resolutions, Saddam started two wars, Saddam financed terrorism, Saddam provided a safe haven for terrorists, Saddam wanted and tried to have WMD, and the whole world believed Saddam had WMD. Even the Democrats believed all of the above, that wasn't the debate.The debate was about how to respond to him, and was war really necessary.

In retrospect, the sanctions worked better than anyone thought, and the worldwide intelligence commitee was wrong.

Once again, just another weak analogy you try to fit into your cookie cutter mold. Square peg doesn't go into round circle.

Bring your "A" game or don't come at all. Keep that weak ass shit out of the lane. You're flopping around the court like a fuckin Dookie.

Propaganda is propaganda Wullie. There is no degree of Propaganda.

 

[tiznow]

Tizdoom, your article states "many don't want to go home for fear of being tortured".

Does anyone else see the irony in this?

hno:hno:hno::lol::lol:and a no fucking shit, eh?

of course willie

the extremists or what not in their home countries will off them as well as their family back home for being traitors and cooperating with us

obviously they are savages compared to how we treat them but that's not the point.....this isn't a game of who's worse at treating in enemy combatants....obviously we not chopping people's heads off on camera like we saw from iraq at one point...

that's besides the point though you just don't get it

the US WILL NOT stoop to the level of the terrorists that's what the US is about

not torture (albeit it might be tame in your eyes) and unconstitutional imprisonment

land of the free home of the brave

follow the constitution if you want it to stay that way

gitmo and the reports and photos that came out of there sets a bad precedent and sends the wrong signal to the world at large

 

[Willie99]

Tizdoom, you just don't get it.

Aren't they already being fucking tortured?

:lolBIG:

 

[nimue77]

There are people in Guantanamo, not countries.

everything. do you think that even with a jury of civilians these guys would get a fair shake? i just dont think that this country should try to please everyone and kiss everyones ass while taking it from behind from these very same countries

 

[nimue77]

Ah, but the USA has WMD, the USA used WMD, the USA started two wars, the USA finances terrorism, the USA provides a safe haven for terrorists, and the whole world knows the USA has WMD.

Oh, and the USA has violated the treaty it signed onto that said it wasn't supposed to have an offensive biological weapons program.

 

[Willie99]

Oh, and the USA has violated the treaty it signed onto that said it wasn't supposed to have an offensive biological weapons program.

L

every where we are, countries have peace and prosperity. Get a fucking clue

 

[punter]

Willie you are full of shit!

 

[Willie99]

No Punter, you loonies are sooooo blinded by hate you can't sniff a fucking clue. The greater the US military presence, the better off the country is.

Stone cold fucking fact

good thing for the world, looney libs on nothing but hot air at the end of the day

 

[punter]

I just have hard time with people who try and reconcile the USA practising tortue and think they are patriots.

 

[tiznow]

I just have hard time with people who try and reconcile the USA practising tortue and think they are patriots.

exactly :toast: