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[h=2]Feds Can’t Verify $2.8 Billion in Obamacare Subsidies[/h]CMS does not know if subsidies went to ‘confirmed enrollees, in the correct amounts’
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BY: Elizabeth Harrington
June 16, 2015 1:10 pm


The federal government cannot verify nearly $3 billion in subsidies distributed through Obamacare, putting significant taxpayer funding “at risk,” according to a new audit report.
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of Inspector General (OIG) released an audit Tuesday finding that the agency did not have an internal system to ensure that subsidies went to the right enrollees, or in the correct amounts.
“[The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services] CMS’s internal controls did not effectively ensure the accuracy of nearly $2.8 billion in aggregate financial assistance payments made to insurance companies under the Affordable Care Act during the first four months that these payments were made,” the OIG said.
“CMS’s system of internal controls could not ensure that CMS made correct financial assistance payments,” they said.
The OIG reviewed subsidies paid to insurance companies between January and April 2014. The auditfound that CMS did not have a process to “prevent or detect any possible substantial errors” in subsidy payments.
The OIG said the agency did not have a system to “ensure that financial assistance payments were made on behalf of confirmed enrollees and in the correct amounts.”
In addition, CMS relied too heavily on data from health insurance companies and had no system for state-based exchanges to “submit enrollee eligibility data for financial assistance payments.”
The government does “not plan to perform a timely reconciliation” of the $2.8 billion in subsidies.
The audit was released as the country awaits a Supreme Court ruling that could make all federal subsidies invalid, since the majority of states did not set up their own health insurance exchange.
Eligible individuals enrolled in Obamacare can receive different types of subsidies, including advance premium tax credits (APTCs) and advance cost-sharing reductions (CSR), which can be used towards premiums or out-of-pocket health care costs.
According to the OIG, the government still does not have a complete system for approving subsidies distributed though Obamacare. CMS used an “interim process” to distribute subsidies for 2014, and is planning a “permanent process” to be finished by late 2015. The final system is supposed to approve enrollment and payment data “on an enrollee-by-enrollee basis.”
“Without effective internal controls for ensuring that advance CSR payments are reconciled in a timely manner, a significant amount of Federal funds are at risk,” the OIG said.
The report noted that multiple agencies within CMS oversee subsidy payments, including the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight (CCIIO), the Office of Financial Management (OFM), the Office of the Actuary (OACT), and the Office of Information Systems (OIS).
In response to the audit, CMS said they issued a regulation to change their accounting methods.“CMS takes the stewardship of tax dollars seriously and implemented a series of payment and process controls to assist in making manual financial assistance payments accurately to issuers,” they said.

 

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When is it too early to say "Told ya so"?
 

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You have to be libtarded to have ever believed this could work.
 

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Obamacare has prevented 50,000 deaths since 2010. Just from hospital safety measures.

Told ya so!!!!

Really?

These numbers are estimates. Obviously, it’s not possible to literally count the number of deaths prevented in the same way you can count actual deaths. So the authors of the report had to use a complicated set of estimating techniques to come up with the 50,000 figure.

The authors of the report made a point of including some caveats, including that "the estimate of deaths averted is less precise than the estimate of the size of the reduction" in hospital-acquired conditions." The report also notes "uncertainty inherent in our statistical extrapolations" and says that it’s "clear" that "tens of thousands of deaths" have been averted, which is less specific than the 50,000 figure Obama focused on.

Preventable deaths had already begun falling even before the health care law was enacted. Periodically, the Centers for Disease Control and Protection has analyzed data on inpatient hospital deaths, with its most recent analysis covering data through 2010. That analysis found that the number of inpatient hospital deaths (not just preventable ones) decreased from 776,000 in 2000 to 715,000 in 2010 -- a drop of 61,000 over a decade.

More on the validity of 50,000 lives saved…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...or-reason-in-preventing-50000-patient-deaths/

At best it’s a vague talking point from the administration.
 

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Really?

These numbers are estimates. Obviously, it’s not possible to literally count the number of deaths prevented in the same way you can count actual deaths. So the authors of the report had to use a complicated set of estimating techniques to come up with the 50,000 figure.

The authors of the report made a point of including some caveats, including that "the estimate of deaths averted is less precise than the estimate of the size of the reduction" in hospital-acquired conditions." The report also notes "uncertainty inherent in our statistical extrapolations" and says that it’s "clear" that "tens of thousands of deaths" have been averted, which is less specific than the 50,000 figure Obama focused on.

Preventable deaths had already begun falling even before the health care law was enacted. Periodically, the Centers for Disease Control and Protection has analyzed data on inpatient hospital deaths, with its most recent analysis covering data through 2010. That analysis found that the number of inpatient hospital deaths (not just preventable ones) decreased from 776,000 in 2000 to 715,000 in 2010 -- a drop of 61,000 over a decade.

More on the validity of 50,000 lives saved…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...or-reason-in-preventing-50000-patient-deaths/

At best it’s a vague talking point from the administration.

why is it that every number you guys pull out of the sky is dead on accurate but the numbers that don't fit your narrative are considered bullshit?

dont answer....even someone as dumb as you can figure that out.
 

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Obamacare has prevented 50,000 deaths since 2010. Just from hospital safety measures.

Told ya so!!!!

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This fucking moron posted this as if it were some sort of "fact"

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And when it is pointed out it isn't fact he goes with:

why is it that every number you guys pull out of the sky is dead on accurate but the numbers that don't fit your narrative are considered bullshit?

dont answer....even someone as dumb as you can figure that out.

Never mind the Washington Post fact checker isn't "you guys"

What a fucking moron this guy is.
 

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Fact check says it true....oh that's right....fact check .org is bias. Lmao.

50k lives saved snoop!!!
 

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You have to be libtarded to have ever believed this could work.

How many people you need to change a light bulb?



to...... 1 2 hold da bulb an 1 2 turn da latter :think2:
 

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That's what happens when you rush through a huge bill, that no one read, and had many, many closed door meetings with these insurance companies to help write.

Yeah, it had "Success" written all over it... for those insurance companies and politicians getting kickbacks.
 

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They couldn't even set up the enrollment properly and on time. It has been down hill ever since. It will be his legacy and his name is all over it not just his fingerprints.
 

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That's what happens when you rush through a huge bill, that no one read, and had many, many closed door meetings with these insurance companies to help write.

Yeah, it had "Success" written all over it... for those insurance companies and politicians getting kickbacks.

^^^^ as usual ^^^^

Follow the Money! Read an article yesterday pointing out Insurance Companies as the winners of this mess! If that was business as it has been, the kickbacks are in the mail!

I was talking with a person awhile ago who explained how the spin of Monies with Obamacare was going to find its way back someway? Too much of a good thing usually isn't so good in the end! Bottom line: I always thought, if you are not part of the system that never gets smaller you will be paying for those that are part of to have while you keep less, if your working!

Today in Pa. a Law with 2 weeks to vote on was passed on to charge landline users $52 a year for 911 service which when 911 Center was being built was going to pay for itself :think2: Most will say oh well that's part of having this great service when in reality landlines are almost obsolete! My 86 yr. mother and probably other Retirees are the only with Landlines....... 52 x's 408,000 = ....... if only they would say where or how the money will be used then let people not Congress Vote!

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EBT cardholders standing outside waiting for their Bank to open at Midnight, a classic! :smoking:

I always had a roll of Quarters with me, sold smokes for 1/4...... Keep the Meter running (
 

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