Obamacare: It's Even Worse Than You Think

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Actually, I thought it was pretty bad from the start. But for those that thought maybe it was doable, here's some more evidence it's not....

by James C. Capretta & Yuval Levin

President Obama's strategy to pass sweeping health care legislation rested on stealth and speed. The idea was to fill the conversation for months on end with vague talk about expanding coverage, "bending the cost-curve," improving quality, and rooting out waste, without showing the public how the plan would actually work or what it would cost. Legislation, meanwhile, would be composed behind closed doors, and the bills would be introduced as close as possible to when they might come up for a vote to minimize the time in which they could actually be read and thought about by those who would vote on them and those who would live under them. By the time the details emerged, maybe momentum and being "closer than ever before" would be enough to overcome the torrent of objections that were sure to be raised when people got a real look at the nuts and bolts.

That moment has now come. House Democrats finally unveiled their plan on July 14, with the aim of passing it by July 31, the last day before the August congressional recess. The Senate's Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee has released its part of the plan, but the Finance Committee (which must figure out how to pay for it all) has yet to do so. There, too, the leadership hoped for a vote before the recess.

But things have not gone as the Democrats intended. As details have emerged, an extraordinary wave of public concern has washed over the debate and left the plan's champions reeling. It is all but certain that both the House and Senate will recess for August without voting on health care, despite the president's insistence on its urgency. And the emerging tone of the public debate casts serious doubt on the fate of Obamacare more broadly.

The reasons for the public revolt are easy to see. The Democrats want to spend $1.5 trillion over a decade, impose an $800 billion tax increase in the midst of the worst recession in a generation, increase federal borrowing by $239 billion (on top of the $11 trillion the Obama budget already requires us to borrow through 2019), impose costly mandates on employers that will discourage hiring as unemployment nears 10 percent, force individuals to buy one-size-fits-all government defined insurance, and insert the government in countless new ways between doctors and patients. All of that would occur whether or not the plan includes a "public option," which at this point it does include and which will exacerbate all of these problems.

As these facts have become clear, Obama's standing has fallen and public opinion has grown decidedly less enthusiastic for the administration's approach. The trend is likely to continue, because the details of the plan reveal that its two most serious drawbacks--its cost and the prospect of government rationing--are worse than even most of their critics have grasped.

First, there are massive hidden costs inherent in a little-understood provision of the plan. The centerpiece of Obamacare is a new premium subsidy program. In the House bill, families with incomes up to four times the poverty level would get a fixed cap on their insurance premiums, tied to their incomes. For instance, a family whose income is twice the poverty level would pay no more than 5 percent of its total income for insurance. But providing that guarantee to all such households in America would cost far more than even the Democrats are willing to propose. The plan therefore would make subsidies available only to households getting insurance through the new "exchanges," insurance pools set up in each state as a parallel system to job-based coverage. And full-time workers in all but the smallest firms would be barred from entering the exchanges, at least for a time, so they wouldn't have access to the new entitlement.

This means that two households, identical in all respects including income, would be treated very differently depending on whether they got their insurance through the exchange or through their employer. At twice the poverty level, a family of four today makes $44,000. Such a family insured through an exchange would pay no more than $2,200 for a policy that could cost $12,000, so it would receive a federal subsidy totaling nearly $10,000. The family next door, meanwhile, with the same income but with health insurance provided through the workplace, would receive an implicit tax break for the $12,000 in employer paid premiums worth only $3,600. That's a bonus of more than $6,000 for being in the exchange--or a penalty of $6,000 for having employer coverage. This disparate treatment would be widespread. The Census Bureau counts 102 million people under age 65 in households with incomes between 150 and 400 percent of the poverty level, but the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that only 20 million of them would receive insurance through the exchanges in 2014.

Such disparate treatment of lower income workers would create a powerful incentive to flee employer coverage for the exchanges. And there would at the same time be pressure to extend the subsidy to workers generally satisfied with the plans provided at work but displeased about paying so much more for them than other similarly situated people. This would vastly increase the cost of the plan, since Congress is not known for resisting constituent pressure. CBO's estimates of the cost of the bill assume the barriers to a vastly larger entitlement program would hold. But the Lewin Group, a health policy consulting firm, concluded otherwise: that about 130 million people would be moved from job-based coverage to the exchanges, with most ending up in the new "public option" very quickly. So, one way or another, the bill's promise of "capped" premiums would be all but certain to become a 100 million person entitlement, which would cost several times what the CBO has so far estimated.

Meanwhile, it is becoming increasingly clear that Obamacare would involve not just rationed care but centrally managed and controlled care. For months, the president said he knew how to "bend the cost-curve" with painless innovations like information technology and new effectiveness research, but CBO said these simply wouldn't work. So, now, at the eleventh hour, the president is hailing a new approach--vast new powers for a board of experts in Washington to set rules and calibrate fees--as the secret to cutting costs and bringing the system under control, first within Medicare and then beyond. But in a system as complex as ours, this is a recipe for one-size-fits-all inefficiency and the shortages, misallocations, and waiting lines that come with it. This is even worse than simple rationing; it is an attempt at technocratic central planning for a country of over 300 million people.

The idea of subtle adjustments of rules and incentives to drive doctor and patient behavior is nothing new, of course. It has been tried several times in America--most notably in 1989, when an expert commission was assigned to devise a new fee schedule for Medicare that would reward general practitioners and drive more medical students to become family physicians. The group sought carefully to manipulate prices and payments to drive practitioner decisions, but the results of their efforts were exactly the opposite of their intent. Specialists have triumphed with tests and procedures, general practitioners have vanished--not just for Medicare patients but for everyone--and doctors despise the complicated fee schedule.

There is no reason to think the new council of experts would be any better able to bring America's vast and complex health care system under centralized rational control. Doctors know better than anyone that efforts at such control constrain their ability to respond to the needs of the unique patient in front of their nose--and they are growing increasingly uneasy with this element of the Obama plan, just as the general public is growing uneasy about costs.

Paying more for a great health care system might perhaps be justifiable, and there might even be a case for accepting a system worse than the one we have now in order to save money. But paying more for a worse health care system simply makes no sense--yet this is the bargain the president and his allies are proposing.

None of this means Obamacare is dead. The Democrats have some serious political muscle to flex, and they may still be able to force their plans through. Conservatives should not grow confident or careless at the sight of public opposition to liberal health care reform. Instead, they must use the August recess to clarify the problems with Obamacare to voters, and to make the case that America must not be rushed into a terrible mistake. There is time to find the right way to reform American health care, and there are good ideas out there for doing so--ideas that use competition and consumer choice to put downward pressure on prices rather than rationing care, displacing the currently happily insured, and bankrupting the government.

The next few weeks will be crucial to the future of American health care and American prosperity. Opponents of the president's proposal have managed to slow it down enough to allow for a real debate. Now they must win the argument.
 

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I am not going to read another of your spaming cut and paste but would you answer in your own words, what is in "Obama's health plan"?
 

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Or even easier name 3 things in "Obamas health plan" that you object to.
 

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Or even easier name 3 things in "Obamas health plan" that you object to.

The problem is Punter, you don't want to read anything that doesn't agree with your ideals (regardless if it makes sense or not). Is that all you want....3? Easy!

1) Government Mandates

2) Not being able to keep my current plan

3) Not being able to keep my doctor

Can I please go on Punter....PLEASE!! 3 just isn't enough!
 
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I'll add:


- taxpayer funded execution of babies (abortions)

- free healthcare for 12 million illegal aliens, paid for by honest workers
like myself


Obama is the worst president in my lifetime, probably the worst
president in the last 100 years.
 

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The problem is Punter, you don't want to read anything that doesn't agree with your ideals (regardless if it makes sense or not). Is that all you want....3? Easy!

1) Government Mandates

2) Not being able to keep my current plan

3) Not being able to keep my doctor

Can I please go on Punter....PLEASE!! 3 just isn't enough!

Can you show me where these problems are in his plan.
 

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I'll add:


- taxpayer funded execution of babies (abortions)

- free healthcare for 12 million illegal aliens, paid for by honest workers
like myself


Obama is the worst president in my lifetime, probably the worst
president in the last 100 years.

Same question. Show me where these are in his plan.
 

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Can you show me where these problems are in his plan.

Gee, sorry I need to spoon feed you. But clearly, you're just trying to be difficult because you and I know this is all over the press ad nauseum. Anyway, knock yourself out Punter. There are mandates all over the bill, so no, I'm not going to point out everyone just because you want to act like a 5 year old. You can look at page 16 on the inability to keep your doctor or your plan. Think you'll be able to read this or will just ignore it and call it spam?

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
 

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No, You do not understand. Not the proposed house plan. Obamas plan that you referenced.
 

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Not me. Its people that refer to the particulars in a nonexistent Obama's health plan that are being incredibly dishonest.
 

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Astutely noted that there is in fact no "Obama plan" under consideration.

The only legislation related to health care is being written (and eventually proposed) by the US House of Representatives.
 

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No, You do not understand. Not the proposed house plan. Obamas plan that you referenced.

Had to check your clearance before I gave you the classified information. Information is on a need to know basis only. If you tell anyone, you have to kill them

The House's "Health Care for all Americans" bill = codeword (Obamacare). Again, no one is to know this information.
 

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Obama doesnt have a plan. He is clueless when it comes to healthcare. Especially his stupid example of a pediatrician taking out tonsils to get more money. That was one of the dumbest comments ever, but because he is a good speaker you have a good chunk of stupid Americans, who also dont have a clue, shaking their heads and agreeing. We have the best healthcare system in the world. The best doctors. The best care. What does Obama want to do? REFORM! Reform? This system does not need to be overhauled. It needs some change but definitely not much of what Obama is proposing. It needs TORT REFORM but Obama does not want to take money from his fellow colleagues and lawyers. Let them have a free for all. It needs a simpler payment system so people can figure out payments and not commit unintentional fraud.
If you want to cover those people who are truly uninsured (the 10 million NOT 40-50 million he continually vomits), ok but you better come up with a good plan. I would say a flat tax on everyone and eliminate all the BS loopholes for the rich. Let everyone contribute the same percentage so everyone has a stake in it.
What Obama really needs to do as president is STOP SPENDING! Stop the spending. You are out of control! We need to be limiting government and all their inefficiency, waste, and fraud, not adding to it. Stop your spending! I dont know if he can get it through his head though. He is like a chick at a mall with a credit card. He needs some heavy counseling.
 

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Heres more you might enjoy.Affirmitive action brain surgeons and eye specialist for your sons and daughters.

Reparations By Way Of Health Care Reform

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, July 27, 2009 4:20 PM PT
Legislation: Still believe in post-racial politics? Read the health care bill. It's affirmative action on steroids, deciding everything from who becomes a doctor to who gets treatment on the basis of skin color.

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President Obama is on the record as being officially opposed to reparations for slavery. But as with other issues, you have to sift through his eloquent rhetoric and go beyond the teleprompter to get at what he really means.
His opposition to reparations is based on the fact they don't go far enough. In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."
Never mind there are those who thought we apologized at Gettysburg and that an African-American president is a recognition of the hard work that has been done.
At a press conference with minority journalists last fall, candidate Obama was pressed for more detail on his reparations position. He said he was more interested in taking action to help people who were just getting by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would benefit from reparations.
"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionally affect people of color, because they are disproportionally uninsured," Obama said.
This may be a goal of Obama's health care plan: the redress of health care disparities on the basis of race and the punishment of those believed to be responsible, such as greedy doctors who perform unnecessary tests and procedures and greedy insurance and drug companies lusting for profits.
In his health care plan published during the campaign, it was written that Obama and Biden will "challenge the medical system to eliminate inequities in health care by requiring hospitals and health plans to collect, analyze and report health care quality for disparity populations and holding them accountable for any differences found."
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi repeated this when she addressed the NAACP this month, saying: "It is a moral issue for our country to reduce health disparities, whether in diabetes, asthma, heart disease, cancer and HIV/AIDS."
The racial grievance industry under health care reform could be calling the shots in the emergency room, the operating room, the medical room, even medical school. As Terence Jeffrey, editor at large of Human Events puts it, not only our wealth, but also our health will be redistributed.
Under the Democrats' plans, if a medical school wants to receive contracts and grants from the federal government, it must operate under a quota system and be able to prove it. On Page 909, the House bill states: "In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the (HHS) secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."
Jeffrey points out that in the name of eliminating "disparities" in health care, under the House version of the bill, payment to providers under the public option becomes a sort of Pavlovian reward and punishment system.
"The secretary," says Section 224, "shall design and implement the payment mechanisms and policies under this section in a manner that — (1) seeks to . . . reduce health disparities (including racial, ethnic and other disparities)."
Everyone deserves the best health care and doctors. That will not happen under a plan that emphasizes affirmative action and leads to rationing.
As the case of the New Haven, Conn., firefighters shows, reverse discrimination is wrong and dangerous.
Whether it's that firefighter coming up the ladder, or the brain surgeon about to remove that tumor in your head, everybody wants that person to be the best regardless of race or ethnicity — and not admitted by quotas and promoted by political correctness.
That's what all Americans are owed.
 

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Can you show me where these problems are in his plan.

why don't you tell us how the plan is going to control costs and reduce the deficit, while improving health care.

Specifics only, although citing independent sources such as the CBO is acceptable.
 

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Can you show me where these problems are in his plan.

BO is not the brightest but he is the most devious. Conyers summed it up best… What good is reading a bill if it’s a thousand pages long?
 
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1,000 pages of bullshit.

Here's one section where the costs of a certain section aren't to
be counted in the total cost of the bill:

Section 2002

By <address class="blogEntryAuthor">Jamie Dupree </address> @ <abbr class="blogPubStamp" title="2009-07-27T00:00:02-05:00">July 27, 2009 12:00 AM </abbr> Permalink | Comments (4) | TrackBacks (0)

While I was interviewing the lead negotiator for the Blue Dogs last Friday, he told a story of how his team was still finding odd things in the health care reform bill backed by Democratic leaders.

"You know we went through this with the stimulus bill, with all of the things that people learned about after they voted," said Rep. Mike Ross (D-AR).
"We just need to slow down and get it right."
Ross pointed us to Section 2002 of the health care bill, "Public Health Investment Fund."
It's pretty straightforward, establishing a new fund to help pay for public health needs at community health centers, the National Health Service Corps program and more.


But then, there is some language that makes people on Capitol Hill stop, shake their head, and re-read what they just read.
"Amounts appropriated under this section, and outlays flowing from such appropriations, shall not be taken into account for purposes of any budget enforcement procedures including allocations under section 302(a) and (b) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act and budget resolutions for fiscal years during which appropriations are made from the Fund," it says under "Budgetary Implications."
Did that just say the money spent under this section shouldn't be counted?
"It's worded in a way to where (the money) is not included when the Congressional Budget Office scores the bill," said Ross, who argues that a delay until after Labor Day would be a good idea.


"Members need a chance to read the bill that they're voting on, to catch more of these things like Section 2002 of the bill," he added.
"That's what the American people are tired of."
One thing I quickly checked when I looked at the health care bill language again was to see if that type of budget language was used anywhere else.
Yes, on page 76, there was another example of where the costs of a certain program would not be "counted" for this bill.
In this case, it was for Section 164, "Reinsurance Program For Retirees," a new "temporary reinsurance program" that's designed to "provide reimbursement to assist participating employment-based plans with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees."
Does that sort of sound to you like the insurance industry would be getting money from the feds to pay out claims for retirees?
It is not an open-ended fund though, as on page 70, it says "the total of all such amounts requested shall not exceed" $10 billion.
At least the taxpayers got that going for them, eh?
Remember, if you want to leaf through the House bill yourself, here is your link http://bit.ly/nSL2A
You never know what you might learn, or what you might find in there.
 

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Government-run care means long waits, less innovation

posted by Donny Ferguson on Aug 03, 2009


Libertarian award-winning journalist John Stossel wants Americans to know one thing -- government-run health care means waiting in line for less advanced care.
In nations with government-run systems like the one proposed by Obama, citizens must register with the government just to be put on a waiting list for routine care like dentist visits.
Click here to watch the video.

http://www.lp.org/blogs/donny-ferguson/government-run-care-means-long-waits-less-innovation
 

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BTW: if it's worse than I think, then "were" really fucked.

LOL
 

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