Obama Keeps Swinging to the Right

[Mistermj]

All the radical Libs like Doc are being thrown under the bus.

Nobody likes a radical Lib. :lol:

Another one hits the bus: Obama reverses on FISA
posted at 9:11 am on June 21, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Barack Obama reversed his position on FISA reform yesterday, giving the Left a taste of the real Obama for the second time this week. After Obama abandoned public financing, most of his supporters in the hard-Left base seemed willing to write that off as good politics. This latest reversal has received a different reaction, as Paul Kane at the Washington Post notes:

* In his most substantive break with the Democratic Party's base since becoming the presumptive nominee, Obama declared he will support the bill when it comes to a Senate vote, likely next week, despite misgivings about legal provisions for telecommunications corporations that cooperated with the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program of suspected terrorists. ….

This marks something of a reversal of Obama's position from an earlier version of the bill, which was approved by the Senate Feb. 12, when Obama was locked in a fight for the Democratic nomination with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).

Obama missed the February vote on that FISA bill as he campaigned in the "Potomac Primaries," but issued a statement that day declaring "I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grassroots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty." *

The wheels of the bus went round and round over Senators Dodd, Feingold, and that same grassroots movement of Americans. Why? John McCain has spent the last few weeks hammering Obama on his national-security weaknesses, and Obama's repeated clinging to the Nuremberg military tribunals as an example of why he opposes military tribunals didn't help. He needed to show that he can take a nuanced approach to the effort on the war, and he apparently chose FISA as the moment. It's sheer political calculus, much the same as Obama's position on public financing, the death penalty, the Iraq war, and just about every position Obama has taken in this campaign.

It's becoming clear even to the Left that Obama has no real firm principles, only ambition. This FISA package doesn't differ much from the compromise Senate bill in February — one supported by a significant number of Democrats then — except that it requires a court to certify that telecoms meet the prerequisites for immunity that the first bill granted outright. As Feingold notes, the bill drafts those requirements to ensure that the applications will be approved, as they should be, since the government assured the telecoms that the activities were legal. Obama's stated reason for switching — that it restores FISA and wiretap statutes — was true of the previous version as well.

What changed? Obama doesn't need the hard Left to get past Hillary Clinton. In fact, Code Pink, International ANSWER, and that "grassroots movement" will become liabilities in a general-election campaign against a nationally-known war hero. He tossed them under the bus with as much consideration as he did Jeremiah Wright and Jim Johnson.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/21/another-one-hits-the-bus-obama-reverses-on-fisa/

 

[docmercer--banned]

More Principals than McCain !!



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<!-- google_ad_section_start -->Source: CBS News

Obama: I'll Fight To Strip Telecom Immunity From FISA



(CBS/AP) - Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., issued a statement in support of the House's update of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, but said he would try to strip a provision granting immunity to telecommunication companies when the bill comes to a vote in the Senate next week.

The House approved a compromise bill Friday that would set new electronic surveillance rules that would also shield telecoms from lawsuits arising from their participation in the government's warrantless eavesdropping on telephone and computer lines in the United States.

The government eavesdropped on American phone and computer lines for almost six years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks without permission from the FISA Court, the special panel established for that purpose under the original 1978 law.

Some 40 lawsuits have been filed against the telecommunications companies by groups and individuals who say the Bush administration illegally monitored their phone calls or e-mails.

Obama said there is "little doubt" that the Bush Administration, with the cooperation of major telecommunications companies, "has abused authority and undermined the Constitution by intercepting the communications of innocent Americans without their knowledge or the required court orders."

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/06/21/politics/horser...

 

[Mistermj]

Watch Bambi change his tune on Offshore drilling and an Iraq timetable.

Can't wait to watch the Libs cry as Bambi turns into another closet Republican like Bill...no convictions here...just pure politics.

The country is center right...thats right where Bambi is going. :lol:

 

[docmercer--banned]

McCain is an ass clown who flip / flops on EVERYTHING

 

[MackDonald]

McCain is an ass clown who flip / flops on EVERYTHING

Some of those clowns can be real "asses"; there is no denying that.

 

[barman]

This is good news.

All the so-called "lefties" will likely vote for Obama regardless and now he's modifying some previous stances to be more amenable to the midstream.

Good to see a man willing to be more responsive to the public at large rather than just a narrow ideology

Thanks for the update!

 

[PatPatriot]

Obama Keeps Swinging to the Right

every lefty in the world running for office alwaya tacks to the right come election time. I've posted this severel times,and here they go again.
Why?
They have to lie about who they really are.And this guy because he is an amateur is the worst and most blatant.
I'm begining to think that this hope and change thing is that he will change to be more conservative than John McCain by the time the election rolls around.

By the time the election rolls around Barack O'Amateur will have a position of "I was against the war before I was for it" and "I was against drilling before I was for it."

 

[docmercer--banned]

Hmmmm ...

the BIGGEST CON in American Politics was the bullshit Image of Bush being
connected to Religion and sold to the Evangelical base

Thank God for David Kuo!!

Kuo worked for Bush and quit in disgust when he saw up close how
Bush and Rove would mock Religious Leaders behind closed doors and
called Religous Leaders "nutjobs" ... GREAT BOOK HE WROTE CALLED
"TEMPTING FAITH"

McCain has CHANGED HIS MIND THREE TIMES ON PUBLIC FINANCING
AND RECENTLY ON OFFSHORE DRILLING ....

SHALL WE CONTINUE?

 

[Willie99]

The last 5 times the Democrats ran a liberal's liberal northerner, they lost. 3 out of the 5 times were by landslide proportions.

Bubba walked and talked like a conservative. Once elected, he tried to turn to the left and was bitched slapped in 1994 as bad as any sitting president was ever bitch slapped. He turned to the right for the balance of his presidency.

Jimmy Carter won because of Watergate. LBJ rode JFK's coattails and JFK was a tough on defense tax cutting conservative. "Ask not what your country can do for you"

You do the math. If BO has a clue, he has to make a sharp right hand turn, and he needs to do so yesterday. Even then, right wrong or indifferent, there is a very large % of the elderly population that will never vote for a black man. He has hurdles.

 

[PatPatriot]

Jimmy Carter won because of Watergate. LBJ rode JFK's coattails and JFK was a tough on defense tax cutting conservative. "Ask not what your country can do for you"

As opposed to soft on defense tax raising liberal,Obama "Ax not what you can do for your country.Ax what your country can do for you."

I like how the say McCain flip flops on the drilling issue.Yeah sure he is always off the reservation on republican issues but for Obama do to this is like being a fish on Mars not just out of water.
Obama will be in fact doing complete 180 to his bases two major issues going forward.
watch and learn my friends.

 

[BillCarson]

Well , I just heard Obama today rebutting McCain's posture on start drilling now--------

Obama said the Bush administration says drilling won't work.

So now Obama rebuts McCain with Bush policy/economic statements?

Isn't this kind of odd words coming out of Obama's own mouth using Bush's policy statement to coincide with his own statements regarding oil drilling?????????????????????hno:

Obama is now cross addicted betweeen Bush and McCain Which is it Obama.

I don't think Obama is all that bad, but sometimes he sounds like just what his own rev Wright says in that Obama is a politician and will do/say anything that is expedient.

Obama " TYPICAL POLITICIAN " :nohead:

 

[JDeuce]

A disturbing trend for Obama: Donations continue to sharply taper off, while the GOP begins to flex its powerful muscles (and I defy any resident Leftist to say this is a right-wing source).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/us/politics/22donate.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin


For Mr. McCain, of Arizona, it was one of his best fund-raising months, with $21.8 million coming in from individual donors and from three joint Republican fund-raising dinners. For Mr. Obama, of Illinois, it was one of his weaker months, drawing $21.9 million.

You see the powerful RNC in action there...and as for the Left, it's worrisome that at the height of the hissy-fit for the Dem nomination, Obama's donations fell by staggering amounts:


For Mr. Obama, the nearly $22 million he raised in May was the smallest monthly total in 2008. In February, he broke records by bringing in $55 million. Donations tapered off to $40 million in March and fell again to $31 million in April, as the primary battle dragged on.


Seems like donors were less enthused with him as the primary slugged along. While he and Clinton were locked into a close primary race, his donations fell by tens of millions. Only the pro-Obama media spin machine kept alive by the myth that he's the half-black Second Coming of RFK...and was bathing in bottomless pools of money each night.

And btw...will Obama spend the $22.5 million to pay off her campaign debt, as is tradition?

Yeah, Obama was good at raising cash...and he'll likely get a short-term boost as the shattered remnants of the party attempt to realign, but the damage is done. The RNC can match anything Obama and his dirty-politics Chicago machine can do.

The American people are waking up to the fact the Obama is a purely rhetoric drive old-school Leftist politician whose ideas don't differ much than any other father-Left Dem of the past 40 years, and that's why his shrill-but-impotent coalition of white elites, blacks and students will be just as ineffective for him as it was for George McGovern. Obama has no hope of winning the white blue collar or Hispanic vote, so he cannot win the presidency.

Mr MJ said: The country is center right...thats right where Bambi is going.

America elects centrist candidates. In the 33 years I've been alive, its elected or re-elected two Democrats (Carter, Clinton) and four Republicans (Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II). Carter won because of the still-smoking wreckage of Nixon's mess and Gerald Ford's limp handing of things. Clinton won because he moved solidly into the middle and adopted a lot of Right Wing positions.

Barack Hussein Obama is by no means a centrist candidate, no matter what untruths, distortions or manipulations come out of his mouth and from his spin machine. He's been ranked as the most liberal member of the Senate for a reason. His written positions, the grotesque retinue of people surrounding him and his past will doom any chance at the White House. He is unqualified to be command in chief of the United States.

 

[Willie99]

Well , I just heard Obama today rebutting McCain's posture on start drilling now--------

Obama said the Bush administration says drilling won't work.

So now Obama rebuts McCain with Bush policy/economic statements?

Isn't this kind of odd words coming out of Obama's own mouth using Bush's policy statement to coincide with his own statements regarding oil drilling?????????????????????hno:

Obama is now cross addicted betweeen Bush and McCain Which is it Obama.

I don't think Obama is all that bad, but sometimes he sounds like just what his own rev Wright says in that Obama is a politician and will do/say anything that is expedient.

Obama " TYPICAL POLITICIAN " :nohead:

hey, this way too complicated for too many.

 

[Willie99]

The last 5 times the Democrats ran a liberal's liberal northerner, they lost. 3 out of the 5 times were by landslide proportions.

Bubba walked and talked like a conservative. Once elected, he tried to turn to the left and was bitched slapped in 1994 as bad as any sitting president was ever bitch slapped. He turned to the right for the balance of his presidency.

Jimmy Carter won because of Watergate. LBJ rode JFK's coattails and JFK was a tough on defense tax cutting conservative. "Ask not what your country can do for you"

You do the math. If BO has a clue, he has to make a sharp right hand turn, and he needs to do so yesterday. Even then, right wrong or indifferent, there is a very large % of the elderly population that will never vote for a black man. He has hurdles.

BTW: I figure I better point out the fact that LBJ, Carter & Bubba were not northern liberals. Sorry if I confused some.

 

[Dafinch]

You McNutt supporters don't really wanna play the "Flip Flop" card, do you? Lookit POW Boy's about faces (maybe THAT'S why he finished 894th out of 899 in his class...he couldn't make up his mind on multiple choice tests...)

McCain changes positons when the wind blows
<HR style="COLOR: #d6d8db" SIZE=1>Yes, this was from a while ago, but something tells me it'll be brought up again in the coming months...


‘We will win this conflict. We will win it easily’
Posted January 6th, 2007 at 12:05 pm


MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, reading a Think Progress post nearly word for word last night, reminded me that it’s time to update the list of John McCain’s flip-flops. From last night’s Countdown:

The winner [of the daily Worst Person in the World] is Sen. John McCain (R) of Arizona, [who] told us today that he knew that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough,” and that he was “sorry” for anybody who voted it thinking it would be “some kind of an easy task.”

Sen. McCain on CNN on Sept. 24, 2002: “I believe that the success will be fairly easy.”

Sen. McCain on CNN on Sept. 29, 2002: “We’re not going to have a bloodletting of trading American bodies for Iraqi bodies.”

Sen. McCain on this network on Jan. 22, 2003: “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.”

What’s that’s called again? Flip-flopping? Senator, we keep all the tapes of these interviews. C’mon!

Of course, you know what this means — it’s time to update the list of McCain’s biggest flip-flops as he transforms himself from maverick hero to right-wing hack. We’re up to 13 now.

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of [tag]Roe v. Wade[/tag] to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain criticized TV preacher [tag]Jerry Falwell[/tag] as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s [tag]tax cuts[/tag] for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, [tag]campaign-finance reform[/tag], and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry [tag]Kissinger[/tag], believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

And now McCain has gone from insisting that the war in Iraq would be easy to insisting that he’s always said the war in Iraq would be hard. And yet, you’ll still find most of the political establishment arguing that McCain’s strength as a candidate is his credibility.

 

[Anonymous1]

"McCain is an ass clown who flip / flops on EVERYTHING"

I'm sure you mean POLITICIANS............................