Obama embraces torture

[Mistermj]

I told you.
I damned well told you.
Rendition is back, you pro-torturing, posturing, hypocritical Leftist fools:


Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool
The role of the CIA’s controversial prisoner-transfer program may expand, intelligence experts say.
Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States.
Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said that the rendition program might be poised to play an expanded role going forward because it was the main remaining mechanism — aside from Predator missile strikes — for taking suspected terrorists off the street.
The rendition program became a source of embarrassment for the CIA, and a target of international scorn, as details emerged in recent years of botched captures, mistaken identities and allegations that prisoners were turned over to countries where they were tortured.
[snip]
But the Obama administration appears to have determined that the rendition program was one component of the Bush administration’s war on terrorism that it could not afford to discard.


And when I say “back” I mean that it’s going to become the damned default option for detainees. You howled when we tried to go with an unlawful detainee designation to handle these cases; you shrieked when we set up Gitmo; and you’d whine if we shot them out of hand. The only thing left is to hand these sons of bitches over to countries without our Bill of Rights and hope that this is enough.
There’s a big hole in the ground in Manhattan that says that it won’t be. But back to the matter at hand:

• Mark Kleiman. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• Andrew Sullivan. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• Hil<s>l</s>ary* Bok. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• Glenn Greenwald. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• Kevin Drum. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• Duncan Black. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• Markos Moulitsas. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• Jerome Armstrong. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• Matt Stoller. Obama supporter? Then you are now officially pro-torture.
• All the damned rest of you on the Online Left. Every single one of you who supported Obama. You are now officially pro-torture.

Remember that when - not “if”; “when” - we get the first stories of somebody handed off to… probably Libya, at this rate; it’s precisely the sort of stupid choice you’d see from too-self-aware-of-their-own-smartness people - and wired up to a car battery. You voted for this. You made this happen. You were the change that you believed in. You were warned.
And I’ll sleep like a baby. That’s because I voted for the other guy.

Moe Lane


PS: You may take my refusal to link to the above sites as the calculated insult that it is.


http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/02/01/obama-embraces-torture/

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[Mistermj]

Good read...:aktion033

 

[gtc08]

red state.com thats all i gotta say

 

[nimue77]

Barack is for torture posts MisterMJ... which makes me wonder if MJ is starting to like this Obama fella.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

He doesnt like alot of the constitution, what makes you think this would be different? Imagine MJ blowing his load over Obama saying torture is A-Ok. You cant make this shit up....keep the continue.

 

[barman]

Barack is for torture posts MisterMJ... which makes me wonder if MJ is starting to like this Obama fella.

JoeJr (note the hyperbolic lead in to the first post) is just getting himself warmed up for a more serious run at Kook of the Year after coming up just a few votes shy this past month for 2008

 

[Mistermj]

red state.com thats all i gotta say

It's talking about an article in the LA Times buddy. %^_

Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool



[COLOR=#333333 ! important]The role of the CIA's controversial prisoner-transfer program may expand, intelligence experts say.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#999999 ! important]By Greg Miller
February 1, 2009 [/COLOR]
Reporting from Washington -- The CIA's secret prisons are being shuttered. Harsh interrogation techniques are off-limits. And Guantanamo Bay will eventually go back to being a wind-swept naval base on the southeastern corner of Cuba.

But even while dismantling these programs, President Obama left intact an equally controversial counter-terrorism tool.

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-rendition1-2009feb01,0,7548176,full.story

 

[Mistermj]

He doesnt like alot of the constitution, what makes you think this would be different? Imagine MJ blowing his load over Obama saying torture is A-Ok. You cant make this shit up....keep the continue.

I have proof you were an Eagles fan...you band wagon jumping Lib sheeple you. :lol:

 

[punter]

No doubt about about it, the increase in Democratic membership is due to republican internet posting.

 

[Mistermj]

No doubt about about it, the increase in Democratic membership is due to republican internet posting.

Just admit it punter...you've been had. Even hard lefty KOS thinks so.



L.A. Times Says: Obama Administration Hangs onto Rendition

by Meteor Blades

Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 11:41:10 PM PST

Rendition will remain part of the government's ammunition in its counter-terrorism arsenal, according to the Los Angeles Times. The program, which consists of abducting suspects from foreign countries and transferring them to other countries, began under the Clinton administration. It was originally developed and run from 1996 onward by now-retired CIA operative Michael Scheuer. The program, Scheuer said in 2005, included moving prisoners extralegally to countries without adequate human rights protections. It was greatly expanded after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Greg Miller writes:

Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool
^{The role of the CIA's controversial prisoner-transfer program may expand, intelligence experts say.}
Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States.
Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said that the rendition program might be poised to play an expanded role going forward because it was the main remaining mechanism -- aside from Predator missile strikes -- for taking suspected terrorists off the street. ...
The rendition program became a source of embarrassment for the CIA, and a target of international scorn, as details emerged in recent years of botched captures, mistaken identities and allegations that prisoners were turned over to countries where they were tortured.
The European Parliament condemned renditions as "an illegal instrument used by the United States." Prisoners swept up in the program have sued the CIA as well as a Boeing Co. subsidiary accused of working with the agency on dozens of rendition flights.
But the Obama administration appears to have determined that the rendition program was one component of the Bush administration's war on terrorism that it could not afford to discard. ...
"Under limited circumstances, there is a legitimate place" for renditions, said Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch. "What I heard loud and clear from the president's order was that they want to design a system that doesn't result in people being sent to foreign dungeons to be tortured -- but that designing that system is going to take some time."
Malinowski said he had urged the Obama administration to stipulate that prisoners could be transferred only to countries where they would be guaranteed a public hearing in an official court. "Producing a prisoner before a real court is a key safeguard against torture, abuse and disappearance," Malinowski said.
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[punter]

Just talking about the reaction of the prudent man.

 

[schmeinz]

i think we can all agree this stuff goes on no matter who is president. and if u dont agree well then im sorry for u. so please bash his 2 weeks in office in some other way. maybe his mother in law? idk just a thought

and yes i type words like i text. bash me on grammar please

ignorant post. because this shit happens all day everday no matter who the fuck is president. the president has no say in this type of shit the cia can do wtf they want. fuck they "arent there" neways. grow up.

well i guess i support torture?

and what did bush do? how many people did he murder? but that doesnt count bc ur head is too far...... save the hypocrisy for 8 year olds the people on here are actually smart

 

[tiznow]

so is this a positive or a negative MJ

you neocon boys are all about torture so i'm guessing your getting a small woody over this

having a hard time understanding what point you are trying to prove

other than right and left are essentially the same...that's an no brainer....and no need to prove it...

 

[Mistermj]

i think we can all agree this stuff goes on no matter who is president. and if u dont agree well then im sorry for u. so please bash his 2 weeks in office in some other way. maybe his mother in law? idk just a thought

and yes i type words like i text. bash me on grammar please

ignorant post. because this shit happens all day everday no matter who the fuck is president. the president has no say in this type of shit the cia can do wtf they want. fuck they "arent there" neways. grow up.

well i guess i support torture?

and what did bush do? how many people did he murder? but that doesnt count bc ur head is too far...... save the hypocrisy for 8 year olds the people on here are actually smart

I'm quite sure Bush didn't murder anyone.

I don't think anyone believes he did...other than a few kooks here and there.

 

[SayHeyKid]

Of course he supports torture. Like Bush, he's a puppet who runs absolutley nothing. The agenda will not change one bit.

 

[punter]

Dubyas group was the only American administration to ever admit practicing torture. All variations on that are Neocon lies.

 

[barman]

Only a real Kook would suggest that GW Bush ever murdered anyone.

We all know he hired that work out to young military fly boys.

(insert cheesy GWB voice here): Ya just fly over Iraq and push the red button over and over until you get an Empty light! heheheheheh...If I hadn't hid out in Alabama back in the late 60s, I might have been able to fly like you boys

At least I got my free flight suit! Mission Accomplished....That was ME on that flight deck!

 

[tiznow]

Only a real Kook would suggest that GW Bush ever murdered anyone.

We all know he hired that work out to young military fly boys.

(insert cheesy GWB voice here): Ya just fly over Iraq and push the red button over and over until you get an Empty light! heheheheheh...If I hadn't hid out in Alabama back in the late 60s, I might have been able to fly like you boys

At least I got my free flight suit! Mission Accomplished....That was ME on that flight deck!

and many democrats have done the same throughout american history

including the dems in congress who gave dubya the thumbs up to go into iraq

the war issue just flips parties over time they play the side of the card that works to garner votes depending on which way the breeze is blowing that day

part of reason dubya got elected in 2000 was his no nation building humble foreign policy stance

big reason dubya got reelected in 2004 was iraq and the war on terror people were still in freightened mode

and big reason obama won in 2008 was his "anti-war" stance which like dubya of 2000 is nonsense

 

[tiznow]

historically the republicans are the "conservatives" when it comes to war

pre reagan era for the most part from reagan on was when the neocons started infiltrating the real action behind the scenes.....like wolfowitz, cheney, rummy, bush I (his son just played follow daddy) etc....

than 9/11 came and neocon clan really liberalized the republican party on the FP front

 

[Mistermj]

Only a real Kook would suggest that GW Bush ever murdered anyone.

We all know he hired that work out to young military fly boys.

(insert cheesy GWB voice here): Ya just fly over Iraq and push the red button over and over until you get an Empty light! heheheheheh...If I hadn't hid out in Alabama back in the late 60s, I might have been able to fly like you boys

At least I got my free flight suit! Mission Accomplished....That was ME on that flight deck!

You would never make the cut at the Onion...:nohead: