I'm taking the Raiders. I think they can score some points with Tui, he's a lot more mobile than Gannon and I hope he can run for a few 1st downs the way Gannon used to do it. At this point I consider Tui an upgrade over Gannon, although I was disapointed with his preseason performance this year. There's some people who think Gannon has been hiding that injury since the Titans game, which wouldn't be surprising considering his lackluster play this year. It's not like they're playing Miami so I think Tui can probably get it done here. Seeing that the lowly Bears socked it to the Lions gives me some confidence that the Raiders can win , how sad is that?
) and the line is pretty favorable... of course Tui has very little experince so mistakes might cost them... They played K.C. tough last year as well so I'm not sure if they've really made legitimate improvements with their D, but to see them hold K.C. to only 17 was a bit surprising, so who knows, once in a while Bresnahan surprises you and makes some good defensive adjustments. There's a lot of Raider fans excited to see Tui take over and with Porter back as well I feel pretty good about this game for tha Raidahs, although some of that is probably just excitement to see someone new at the helm, as I am about fed up with Gannon's b.s. The guy refuses to accept any responsibility for his crappy performance, and it sounds like some of the Raider players feel the same way, so they might be pumped as well. He's not Chad Pennington, though, so it's not like I'm hoping for the guy to miraculously turn their season around.
[This message was edited by Oren1 on October 28, 2003 at 02:49 AM.]
[This message was edited by Oren1 on October 28, 2003 at 02:49 AM.]
Thanks Oren1. You always have the scoop on the Raiders. To think that it was only last year they were a 4 point favorite to win the Super Bowl.
Tui is a player. Porter is tough as nails and quick. I haven't seen a T. Brown 80-year TD in a while. I keep waiting for a few big plays from the Oakland secondary. The whole team is aging but they still bring a solid secondary.
It will be interesting to see the emotion the team brings after a bye week on the road. You are one of the classiest posters -- so good luck!
Tui is a player. Porter is tough as nails and quick. I haven't seen a T. Brown 80-year TD in a while. I keep waiting for a few big plays from the Oakland secondary. The whole team is aging but they still bring a solid secondary.
It will be interesting to see the emotion the team brings after a bye week on the road. You are one of the classiest posters -- so good luck!
yeah they're playing like chumps Jaypay, you've got that right, but, one of their biggest problems this year IMO has been Gannon and his superbowl head-trip. The guy just hasn't been playing like himself, just look at his quarterback rating compared to last year. It's something like 75, compared to what, 100 last year? Completion percentage is in the 50's while last year he was hitting around 60+. They took care of the penalty poblems last week so hopefully that continues. Their run defense is still aweful, adn they don't have any good players to make up for that, but, there's still some players on that D so maybe they can turn it around. Apparently the defense was unhappy with Bresnahan's placalling so they're going to go back to the basics with a more vanilla defense. Of course after he said he was going to change the defense they continuesd to run bone-headed blitzes at the most inoportune times, but, maybe he'll leran, or not.
From 87 to 98 he started 12 games 2 times for minnesota, 11 games once for minny, and 10 games in KC before coming to Oakland.
A total of 58 games started in 10 years - averages out to 5.8 games per year.
An average of 8.6 starts per year in his career.
Just over that half way point...
There must have been a quarterback shortage from 99 through now. Either that or the NFL started enforcing thier "no black quarterback's allowed" rule again.
A total of 58 games started in 10 years - averages out to 5.8 games per year.
An average of 8.6 starts per year in his career.
Just over that half way point...
There must have been a quarterback shortage from 99 through now. Either that or the NFL started enforcing thier "no black quarterback's allowed" rule again.
Strategy on this game: I've bet the game (-2.5) on Oakland. I'm looking to take some off on Detroit (+3.5) or (+4) and hope for a middle. I'll stay net long on Oakland winning (-2.5).
A team that is [0-7] coming off a bye week, new QB with mobility, playing a mediocre team --- has to at least be considered.
A team that is [0-7] coming off a bye week, new QB with mobility, playing a mediocre team --- has to at least be considered.
Kevy, their are a lot of Gannon supporters still, but the numbers don't lie. I'm in no way in the minority of people who blame all of the Raiders problems on offense on Gannon, of course the coaching staff, mainly their offensive coordinator, are also to blame for their inability to take Gruden's system and expand upon it. Porter is going to help as well, but even Porter wouldn't be able to catch some of those errant, poorly thrown balls Gannon's been chucking around.
Year ....Team........ G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2002 Oakland Raiders 16 16 618 418 67.6 4689 7.59 75 26 10 36/214 48 8 97.3
2003 Oakland Raiders . 7 _7 225 125 55.6 1274 5.66 46 6 4 17/90 15 1 73.5
Year ....Team........ G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
2002 Oakland Raiders 16 16 618 418 67.6 4689 7.59 75 26 10 36/214 48 8 97.3
2003 Oakland Raiders . 7 _7 225 125 55.6 1274 5.66 46 6 4 17/90 15 1 73.5
Oren, if only this team could have had a
100% percent healthy Jerry Porter, the first
half of the season. The offensive play calling
has been very questionable at times. I think this Sunday is going to be an early Christmas
for the Raiders DB's. Harrington will be good for at least 3 int's. I really like the Raiders and a strong lean to the Under. GL Sunday
100% percent healthy Jerry Porter, the first
half of the season. The offensive play calling
has been very questionable at times. I think this Sunday is going to be an early Christmas
for the Raiders DB's. Harrington will be good for at least 3 int's. I really like the Raiders and a strong lean to the Under. GL Sunday
on the injury:
"...Gannon was unavailable for comment Monday.
Tuiasosopo, on the other hand, was available. He relieved Gannon in the second half of the Kansas City loss and completed 16 of 28 passes for 224 yards, nearly leading a tying scoring drive at the end of the game. The Raiders came up 1 yard short of sending the game into overtime.
Tuiasosopo also had four rushes for 20 yards in the game, and he's a much more mobile quarterback than Gannon. But he discounted the possibility that the Raiders will change their game plan to account for that ability.
``Our offense is what our offense is,'' Tuiasosopo said. ``We're not going to change it much.''
Tuiasosopo, 24, doesn't have much of an NFL résumé. Now in his third season, the former University of Washington star has appeared in seven games and completed 22 of 38 passes for no touchdowns and two interceptions. At Washington, however, he was a sensation, leading the Huskies to a Rose Bowl title after the 2000 season. In a 1999 game against Stanford, he rushed for more than 200 yards and passed for more than 300, the only such performance in NCAA history.
Perhaps mindful of the delicate position he's in, Tuiasosopo painted himself as a caretaker Monday. After all, the Raiders haven't even declared him the starter for this week, and Gannon is fiercely protective of his position as the No. 1 quarterback.
``It's his team,'' Tuiasosopo said. ``Until he comes back, I'm going to contribute as best I can. My time will come. I'm just going to make sure I'm ready to go no matter what happens.''
Others in the locker room, however, were more effusive about what Tuiasosopo will bring to the Raiders. Rookie tight end Teyo Johnson, whose history with Tuiasosopo dates to their days as high school stars in the Seattle area, said the third-year quarterback will surprise people with his ability.
``Now to see him at the helm, he's going to do well,'' Johnson said. ``I think on another team, he'd be blowing up into a Donovan McNabb-type player. He's a new-age, new-breed quarterback.
``He's got that knack to turn a nothing into something. The guy can ball. When he's out there feeling comfortable, you'll see some special things.''
"...Gannon was unavailable for comment Monday.
Tuiasosopo, on the other hand, was available. He relieved Gannon in the second half of the Kansas City loss and completed 16 of 28 passes for 224 yards, nearly leading a tying scoring drive at the end of the game. The Raiders came up 1 yard short of sending the game into overtime.
Tuiasosopo also had four rushes for 20 yards in the game, and he's a much more mobile quarterback than Gannon. But he discounted the possibility that the Raiders will change their game plan to account for that ability.
``Our offense is what our offense is,'' Tuiasosopo said. ``We're not going to change it much.''
Tuiasosopo, 24, doesn't have much of an NFL résumé. Now in his third season, the former University of Washington star has appeared in seven games and completed 22 of 38 passes for no touchdowns and two interceptions. At Washington, however, he was a sensation, leading the Huskies to a Rose Bowl title after the 2000 season. In a 1999 game against Stanford, he rushed for more than 200 yards and passed for more than 300, the only such performance in NCAA history.
Perhaps mindful of the delicate position he's in, Tuiasosopo painted himself as a caretaker Monday. After all, the Raiders haven't even declared him the starter for this week, and Gannon is fiercely protective of his position as the No. 1 quarterback.
``It's his team,'' Tuiasosopo said. ``Until he comes back, I'm going to contribute as best I can. My time will come. I'm just going to make sure I'm ready to go no matter what happens.''
Others in the locker room, however, were more effusive about what Tuiasosopo will bring to the Raiders. Rookie tight end Teyo Johnson, whose history with Tuiasosopo dates to their days as high school stars in the Seattle area, said the third-year quarterback will surprise people with his ability.
``Now to see him at the helm, he's going to do well,'' Johnson said. ``I think on another team, he'd be blowing up into a Donovan McNabb-type player. He's a new-age, new-breed quarterback.
``He's got that knack to turn a nothing into something. The guy can ball. When he's out there feeling comfortable, you'll see some special things.''
