NOW i know what to do..........

[ProPokerPlayer]

:Sad Face:
Just go all-in every hand....IF they've picked me to win ill win if not at least i wont have to wait hours to find out they are screwing me again....Finally ive figured out poker...

PokerStars Game #20592474884: Tournament #107931576, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/09/21 20:35:42 ET
Table '107931576 99' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: drawout&die (2500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: Mannydarx (2500 in chips)
Seat 3: boog2168 (4150 in chips)
Seat 4: z2461011 (4590 in chips)
Seat 5: allynlong (2995 in chips)
Seat 6: saurage1 (6042 in chips)
Seat 7: PwnTownMayor (2380 in chips)
Seat 8: ArielSpivack (7555 in chips)
Seat 9: Peetoon (2830 in chips)
ArielSpivack: posts small blind 25
Peetoon: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allynlong [As Ah]
drawout&die: folds
Mannydarx: folds
boog2168: calls 50
z2461011: calls 50
allynlong: raises 200 to 250
saurage1: folds
PwnTownMayor: folds
ArielSpivack: folds
Peetoon: folds
boog2168: calls 200
z2461011: folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 4h 6d]
boog2168: bets 400
allynlong: raises 1000 to 1400
boog2168: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [2c 4h 6d] [4s]
boog2168: bets 2100
allynlong: calls 1345 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (755) returned to boog2168
*** RIVER *** [2c 4h 6d 4s] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
boog2168: shows [5d 5h] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
allynlong: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
boog2168 collected 6115 from pot

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

Well Well looks like they steal from everybody...$5200 out of Phil Hellmuths pocket and into their winners pocket...If he's not already look for AKJHoosier to be announced as Stars newest PAID Pro this week...

PokerStars Game #20592561199: Tournament #200800033, $5000+$200 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (400/800) - 2008/09/21 20:39:20 ET
Table '200800033 114' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Allingomes (12471 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: jalla79 (15135 in chips)
Seat 3: mcnallyville (24616 in chips)
Seat 4: Viper John B (19120 in chips)
Seat 5: Sasuke234 (66564 in chips)
Seat 6: #1_Lucky_One (19020 in chips)
Seat 7: Monk532 (75796 in chips)
Seat 8: kangis (48336 in chips)
Seat 9: watchout (55897 in chips)
Allingomes: posts the ante 50
jalla79: posts the ante 50
mcnallyville: posts the ante 50
Viper John B: posts the ante 50
Sasuke234: posts the ante 50
#1_Lucky_One: posts the ante 50
Monk532: posts the ante 50
kangis: posts the ante 50
watchout: posts the ante 50
#1_Lucky_One: posts small blind 400
Monk532: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
kangis: folds
watchout: folds
Allingomes: folds
jalla79: folds
mcnallyville: folds
Viper John B: folds
Sasuke234: folds
Allingomes is disconnected
#1_Lucky_One: calls 400
Monk532: checks
*** FLOP *** [6d 3s 8h]
#1_Lucky_One: checks
Monk532: bets 4800
#1_Lucky_One: raises 4800 to 9600
Allingomes is connected
Monk532: calls 4800
*** TURN *** [6d 3s 8h] [Jh]
#1_Lucky_One: bets 8000
Monk532: raises 8000 to 16000
#1_Lucky_One: calls 570 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (7430) returned to Monk532
*** RIVER *** [6d 3s 8h Jh] [7s]
Allingomes has returned
*** SHOW DOWN ***
#1_Lucky_One: shows [As Ah] (a pair of Aces)
Monk532: shows [9s Td] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Monk532 collected 38390 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 38390 | Rake 0
Board [6d 3s 8h Jh 7s]
Seat 1: Allingomes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jalla79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mcnallyville folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Viper John B folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Sasuke234 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: #1_Lucky_One (small blind) showed [As Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: Monk532 (big blind) showed [9s Td] and won (38390) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 8: kangis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: watchout folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

ol Monk is really improving isnt he...


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[ProPokerPlayer]

Westmenlo can cash 3 times in 1 day yet i can go a solid month and lose to 1,2,3 and 4 outers every game.

There is no doubt in my mind that they have a doomswitch.
How can their consistent winners cash almost daily? Does Menlo fold his AA on the turn on the 1st hand i posted? Does he fold anytime there is a card left in the deck that could beat him? If so how does he get that many good hands that he can fold everytime there is a card left that could beat him?
I believe that they LET SOME people win consistently so that fools like me will believe that we too can eventually get good enough to win like they do when in reality NOBODY will ever get anything more than an occasional small score to keep u hungry...hungry to deposit!!
Either these cards are rigged or i am the guy who can flip a coin 100 times , call heads everytime and lose 100 straight times...and i do realize that in this hand there a lot more than 4 outs to beat me..That doesnt change the FACT that whatever the big stack needs he gets..

PokerStars Game #20639953297: Tournament #109378664, $3+$0 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/09/23 17:45:01 ET
Table '109378664 14' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: govnuk777 (790 in chips)
Seat 3: kevinsweeney (4305 in chips)
Seat 4: PowerGuiddo (6750 in chips)
Seat 5: allynlong (1800 in chips)
Seat 6: jingajojo (2550 in chips)
Seat 7: mkb1mkb1 (4805 in chips)
Seat 8: caprizas (6165 in chips)
Seat 9: peberry (1485 in chips)
govnuk777: posts small blind 100
kevinsweeney: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allynlong [2c 2s]
PowerGuiddo: calls 200
allynlong: calls 200
jingajojo: calls 200
mkb1mkb1: folds
caprizas: folds
peberry: folds
govnuk777: calls 100
kevinsweeney: raises 4105 to 4305 and is all-in
PowerGuiddo: folds
allynlong: calls 1600 and is all-in
jingajojo: folds
govnuk777: calls 590 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2505) returned to kevinsweeney
*** FLOP *** [4d 4s 6d]
*** TURN *** [4d 4s 6d] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [4d 4s 6d Qh] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kevinsweeney: shows [Ah Kd] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)
allynlong: shows [2c 2s] (two pair, Sixes and Fours - lower kicker)
kevinsweeney collected 2020 from side pot
govnuk777: shows [Js 8d] (two pair, Sixes and Fours - lower kicker)
kevinsweeney collected 2770 from main pot
allynlong said, "very nicely rigged"
govnuk777 re-buys and receives 2000 chips for $6.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4790 Main pot 2770. Side pot 2020. | Rake 0
Board [4d 4s 6d Qh 6s]
Seat 1: govnuk777 (small blind) showed [Js 8d] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fours
Seat 3: kevinsweeney (big blind) showed [Ah Kd] and won (4790) with two pair, Sixes and Fours
Seat 4: PowerGuiddo folded before Flop
Seat 5: allynlong showed [2c 2s] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fours

 

[festeringZit]

Westmenlo can cash 3 times in 1 day yet i can go a solid month and lose to 1,2,3 and 4 outers every game.

There is no doubt in my mind that they have a doomswitch.
How can their consistent winners cash almost daily? Does Menlo fold his AA on the turn on the 1st hand i posted? Does he fold anytime there is a card left in the deck that could beat him? If so how does he get that many good hands that he can fold everytime there is a card left that could beat him?
I believe that they LET SOME people win consistently so that fools like me will believe that we too can eventually get good enough to win like they do when in reality NOBODY will ever get anything more than an occasional small score to keep u hungry...hungry to deposit!!
Either these cards are rigged or i am the guy who can flip a coin 100 times , call heads everytime and lose 100 straight times...and i do realize that in this hand there a lot more than 4 outs to beat me..That doesnt change the FACT that whatever the big stack needs he gets..

PokerStars Game #20639953297: Tournament #109378664, $3+$0 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/09/23 17:45:01 ET
Table '109378664 14' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: govnuk777 (790 in chips)
Seat 3: kevinsweeney (4305 in chips)
Seat 4: PowerGuiddo (6750 in chips)
Seat 5: allynlong (1800 in chips)
Seat 6: jingajojo (2550 in chips)
Seat 7: mkb1mkb1 (4805 in chips)
Seat 8: caprizas (6165 in chips)
Seat 9: peberry (1485 in chips)
govnuk777: posts small blind 100
kevinsweeney: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allynlong [2c 2s]
PowerGuiddo: calls 200
allynlong: calls 200
jingajojo: calls 200
mkb1mkb1: folds
caprizas: folds
peberry: folds
govnuk777: calls 100
kevinsweeney: raises 4105 to 4305 and is all-in
PowerGuiddo: folds
allynlong: calls 1600 and is all-in
jingajojo: folds
govnuk777: calls 590 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2505) returned to kevinsweeney
*** FLOP *** [4d 4s 6d]
*** TURN *** [4d 4s 6d] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [4d 4s 6d Qh] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kevinsweeney: shows [Ah Kd] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)
allynlong: shows [2c 2s] (two pair, Sixes and Fours - lower kicker)
kevinsweeney collected 2020 from side pot
govnuk777: shows [Js 8d] (two pair, Sixes and Fours - lower kicker)
kevinsweeney collected 2770 from main pot
allynlong said, "very nicely rigged"
govnuk777 re-buys and receives 2000 chips for $6.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4790 Main pot 2770. Side pot 2020. | Rake 0
Board [4d 4s 6d Qh 6s]
Seat 1: govnuk777 (small blind) showed [Js 8d] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fours
Seat 3: kevinsweeney (big blind) showed [Ah Kd] and won (4790) with two pair, Sixes and Fours
Seat 4: PowerGuiddo folded before Flop
Seat 5: allynlong showed [2c 2s] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fours

With a pair of deuces, best case you are in a race, and high chance
you are drawing to 2 outs. With low pairs in that situation, I wait
for a better place to push my stack.

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

You are ofcourse correct...I failed to mention this was a rebuy.....doesnt change the fact that i cant win a hand with 2 jokers and others are winning thousands a day. true there were 15 outs that beat me there on the river but to win ur hand has to hold up everyonce in awhile...ck the other thread where i just posted 2 losing hands where i lost to a 3 outer on the river AND a 1 outer on the river....Its just not possible to run THAT bad for over 30 days in a row.

 

[festeringZit]

You are ofcourse correct...I failed to mention this was a rebuy.....doesnt change the fact that i cant win a hand with 2 jokers and others are winning thousands a day. true there were 15 outs that beat me there on the river but to win ur hand has to hold up everyonce in awhile...ck the other thread where i just posted 2 losing hands where i lost to a 3 outer on the river AND a 1 outer on the river....Its just not possible to run THAT bad for over 30 days in a row.

Yeah, I feel your pain. I was making a ton of money playing online poker
before neteller pulled out of the US. Seems like since then, it's a struggle
to make any money. I think the % of total donkeys has dropped quite
a bit, and while I used to think online poker sites were legit, we
now know that at least two major players were rigged (UB and Absolute),
so I wonder how much more rigging is going on, and how much collustion
is going on.

I still play a little bit online, more for fun than anything.

 

[PO69]

PPP, you are too good of a player to be playing this internet shit anymore.


Just stick to the live poker tables and live tournaments. You should be DEADLY in no limit. ESP if we are at the same table at Coushatta.

Coushatta has a 30000 freeroll next month for the first 200 players to get 20 hours of play in this month. BEcause of the storms and the fact that you had to register your card each time you play, only around 100 players will even make 20 hours most likely. Probably 300 players would have had 20 hours, but you have to follow their sign up rules exactly

 

[PO69]

I know that it is hard to see me tell anyone to stay away from internet poker. Hell, I had share of $5000 tournament wins in the past. About 6 of them I believe. But something is still fishy about the whole deal to me

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

well im beginning to really to question if im doing the right thing by continually grinding the online games. I just walked in the door from a 10 hr session of live poker...In 10 hours of play i lost 3 hands on the river and left with over 3 times what i sat down with. AND these hands usually had anywhere from 4 -9 players in each 1. The hands i lost on the river were all 3 either oesd or flush draws..There were probably 6-8 hands where i made crying calls on the river, just sure id been outdrawn and not once did it happen. .
Now there were some advantages , the biggest was people who got pissed when i would win a few hands in a row and then start raising and reraising me literally throwing their money at me. 1 guy left and told the guy next to him he was gonna be waiting outside for me. (he wasnt).
True it is hard to find a game that loose online these days but im not sure it isnt even harder to beat the looser game. Its also true that im able to get away from hands that i saw a lot of money lost with by other players. And the players are much more passive, with most of them being calling stations but the result speaks for itself...
Now that the cooler weather is here i should have more time to play live.
I did have a few suckout hands. On the 1 that pissed the guy opff who wanted to whoop me, he had KQ i was in the blind with Q2 he raised and id seen him raising AJ, A10 etc everytime so i called. When a Q came on the flop he raised again and i decided to reraise to see if he really had a Q or an overpr . he just called and the turn was a 2. when he ckd i bet and when he saw i had Q2 he went ballistic. So i got lucky there for sure. I think he coulda whooped me too so maybe i got lucky twice there...lol
The next 1 feel really bad about and is the only thing i hate about live casino play. An elderly woman sat down and obviously wasnt a great player. I had been batting another guy across the table and really beating his ass. He raised PF , she called and i called with K10s the flop was K5K and he bet, she called and i reraised. The turn was a 10 he ckd, she bet and i reraised . He folded but she called. She bet the river and raised again putting her all-in. She had K5!!!! had flopped a boat and i really did feel bad. She was very nice , i told her i was sorry and she said no problem but i seriously wanted to give her her money back. I dont want to play for peoples SSI checks and i really felt like an AHole for reraising her but it was the other guy i was actually after she just got caught in the middle and again i got very lucky...
The other problem i have with live play is i hate casinos, i hate people constantly talking in the middle of hands, etc...Im a loner and if i could have the same success online as live i would never go anywhere. There is also the fact that i have had many losing days live as well when my draws were not hitting or just got crappy cards for hours at a time...
Also playing online lets me spend a lot more time at home with my grandson and that may be the biggest factor in all of it.. I dont say it much but as im sure PO can see im not in the best of health and should probably be looking at providing something to leave behind for him when im gone besides a poker bankroll.
A lot to think about in the next few months.......and knowing my past history ill probably do the wrong thing...........lol

 

[PO69]

You have a good 10-20 left. The ONLY thing that could hurt you is the smoking.

But the smoking has you in pretty good shape in terms of weight though. Maybe I need to start smoking.


IF you can, have a stress test within the next year, and have a liver enzyme test.

 

[PO69]

I do think that the stress of online poker is not good for you though.


With that 4-8 game in BR, you should be able to average around $250 profit a day if you can play at least 7 hours each trip.

You would be DEADLY in 5-5 no limit though

 

[PO69]

I need to thank you PPP. While responding to your post above, I missed the first pitch of the Tampa game and saved myself $500 by not betting the game.


On Saturday at Coushatta, they have a $125 half omaha/half No-limit tournament.


They also have a BIG live OMAHA game on Saturday. Sometimes it is even fun to watch that game. The casino brings in a special dealer just for that table. Guys from Houston travel to play in it as well. I think that minimum buyin is $1000 for that game with no MAX of course. It is pot limit. Some of the guy sit down with $20,000 in cash on the table.

With the exception of the 5-10 no-limit game, it is the only game where cash is played on the table

 

[PO69]

One more thing, how much do you think that the players tip the dealer at that Omaha game? Keep in mind that alot of pots are over $6000

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

Dammit i swore i wasnt going back to Coushatta after my last fiasco but half anf half is my fav game so i guess ill be there saturday for that 1...even though i remember getting whipped there the 1st time i went for that limit tourny. Boy would i love to have a roll big enough to get in that cash game though..
I watch high stakes poker every week and its not unusual at all to see the winner throw throw the dealer a black chip , which i assume is $100 or 2 pink chips which i think are $50...If i was a dealer those are the games i would want to deal!!

 

[PO69]

Well the guys at Coushatta that win pots from $1000-6000 only give the dealer $5-10.


A few of them tip less than $5.



I am going to Coushatta at around 4pm on Friday and will play all night until the tourney on Saturday. I need to get some more hours in for the tournament next month. They will get 100 players AT LEAST for the half and half tourney. They may even have 3 Omaha live tables after the tourney. Most dealers dont like to deal Omaha though because each hand takes around 5times longer than a normal holdem hand

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

Well everytime i say im going to be there early something happens i end up not going at all so this time my plans are to be fashionably late...lol I really do hate this structure though for a live tourny with only 4000 starting chips plus switching games which will slow it down even more...Turns it into a turbo really, which explains why my folding that AK hand and the KK hand was so stupid last time. Ill be all-in PF with both hands this time no matter what...


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500 – 1000
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1000 – 2000
2000 – 4000
3000 – 6000
4000 – 8000
5000 – 10000
6000 – 12000
8000 – 16000
10000 – 20000
15000 – 30000
20000 – 40000
30000 – 60000
40000 – 80000

Prize Pool Breakdown
1st = 30%
2nd = 17%
3rd = 13%
4th = 10%,
5th = 6%
6th = 6%
7th = 5%
8th = 5%
9th = 4%
10th = 4%

 

[TimelyHitting]

Well everytime i say im going to be there early something happens i end up not going at all so this time my plans are to be fashionably late...lol I really do hate this structure though for a live tourny with only 4000 starting chips plus switching games which will slow it down even more...Turns it into a turbo really, which explains why my folding that AK hand and the KK hand was so stupid last time. Ill be all-in PF with both hands this time no matter what...


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5000 – 10000
6000 – 12000
8000 – 16000
10000 – 20000
15000 – 30000
20000 – 40000
30000 – 60000
40000 – 80000

Prize Pool Breakdown
1st = 30%
2nd = 17%
3rd = 13%
4th = 10%,
5th = 6%
6th = 6%
7th = 5%
8th = 5%
9th = 4%
10th = 4%

I'll say this as it's the two most important things I have learned in the last month of poker and it's really turned my game around.

Short stacks from early position tend to push with lesser hands, A9 and lower or low PP, to show strength in their hands. You have to win flips to win tournaments. It's that simple. It's almost an instant call for me now, if the time is right and that's the tough part to figure out, when they push and I have two face cards or a PP over 77.

2. People bluff a lot more than you think in online poker. When someone best big after the flop and you call. Then makes the same bet and you flat call. If they push the river there is a 75%+ chance that they are bluffing at the pot. The reason I say this is that they are desperate. They have committed and don't think you're strong enough to commit. Those two things alone, although I've lost tournies on them, will help you advance deep into a lot of tournaments. Wait for a nuts hand early in the tournament to build and then pick out the weak links. I would say try never to push pre-flop with anything less then queens; yourself that is. If you have a read on a player you can call with things like tens. I would say never initiate a push with anything besides AA, KK, or QQ. Try and see a flop if you can. Then just learn how to lay down your big hands easily and you're well on your way.

Also I'm a very tight player but you seem extremely tight. I don't play KQ off or AJ off and things like that when I'm early to act but I play them late. I also keep the same betting variances pretty much no matter what.

One more thing I learned. After about 5 levels. Never raise 3 times the blind. Raise like 2 1/2 if you want to raise three. It has the same effect but you save chips. You always want to save chips wherever you can. Maybe this will help someone. I'm not sure. I played between 15-17% of hands in a tournament.

I also feel there is one key spot to bluff in a tournament. I'm talking a big bluff. You'll lose sometimes doing it but if you sense weakness commit your stack. Them committing there stack is the hardest thing to do. If you can steal one big pot in a tournament you're well on your way.