Nothing like an old fashioned electronic vote cooking

[JayC]

whole story:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/53438/6175


LIARS! All exit polls matched results except OH and FL
by LondonYank
Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 02:34:38 PST

It saddens me greatly to report that the voters in Florida and Ohio are staggeringly dishonest. *They appear to have uniquely lied to the exit pollsters yesterday, unlike the honest citizens of every other state. *This seems the only rational explanation for the very big discrepancy between (the original) exit poll results and the outcomes of their (reported) votes.

It is sad when the citizens of such fine states cannot be relied on to accurately report their votes. *It is a good thing that Diebold is there to report their votes for them.

See below the fold for substantiation of the mismatch between exit polls and reported results courtesy of Requiem99 at DU.

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The assertion by pundits/Bushies that exit polling was 'way off', and thus, exit polls, which showed an easy Kerry victory in both Ohio and Florida, were incorrectly skewed and did not represent the electorate, is completely bogus.

This is disproved in minutes by simply noting the entire rest of the suite of exit polls conducted by AP and distributed to the news media. View here:

AP exit polls [This link no longer works, which may indicate that they are covering their tracks.]

Notice, if you will, that states with a narrow or wide Bush margin of victory NOT called Ohio or Florida, project perfectly. Missouri leans to Bush in exit polls, and leaned to him in the vote. Tennessee likewise was favorable to Bush in exit polls, and it showed in the final results with a clear Bush margin of victory. Pick a state, any state, there is not one single exit poll off by more than a few percentage points in any semi-competitive race. Not one.

Except 2. Ohio and Florida, the latter of which has already been "awarded" to Bush, and the former, which appears to nearly be a lock for him as he is up 3 percentage points with 80 percent of the electorate tallied. George Bush's win in each of these 2 states is nowhere near what exit polls suggest. In Ohio, Kerry had a small but noticeable lead with both male and female voters, a rare thing for him as males have tended to favor Bush in this election by a small margin. Likewise, independent voters clearly broke for Kerry, by a 21 percent margin, 60-39. This is not anywhere near the result we are seeing now, and along with Florida, whom I will get to in a moment, it is a clear and blatant sign of voter fraud. I don't use that most dangerous of "F" words lightly, but I must call a wolf a wolf and a sheep a sheep, and this whole setup stinks like Karl Rove after he's ran 15 feet.

. . . While Mr. Kerry had 6 percent less support from his party than Mr. Bush did, he scored among woman yet again (54 percent of Florida's electorate) by a 52-48 margin, small but important, while losing men (46 percent of the electorate) 47-52, essentially the same margin. Independents, however, broke heavily for John Kerry, favoring him a staggering 60-38 over Mr. Bush. At the very least, this would suggest a very close race, and certainly not the lopsided blowout it turned out to be.

As Joe Pesci once said, "Something is fishy in Florida."

Ohio too, Joe. Ohio too.

See link above for more

 

[JinnRikki]

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

 

[christof]

It is interesting if those are the only two states that were off.

But the actual results for the two states would be within the margin of error for a poll this size.

I think evidence will be needed to prove cooking, as the statistics are not far enough off.

 

[christof]

Jinn,

Can you cut and paste any hard evidence from that site? (not a challenge, really interested)

The page is very long, and I don't feel like reading the whole thing.

 

[RobFunk]

wow

 

[WildBill]

Who knows anymore. One story I have heard about that I can't find public stories on was the "error" counting votes in Florida's Amendment 4 to allow a vote on slots in Broward and Dade counties. Story goes Wednesday morning 99.3% of the vote is counted and the thing is losing by 7,000 votes. During the morning some weird numbers are coming out of the counting system, impossible numbers. Turns out they do some checking and the system was set up wrong. They "fix" the problem and what do you know, not only is the Amendment now winning, it wins by so many votes that they went from losing within the range of automatic recount, demanded for any vote within 0.5%, to a winner that is beyond the automatic recount. Supposedly it was a turn of about 100,000 votes because the software program was written in a way that after a certain number of votes were counted, it started counting BACKWARD! I kid you not.

I can't find a specific story, but go look at the press on Wednesday morning, they all will say that the Amendment was behind by a few thousand votes with less than 1% to count. Then look at the results now, 100% of the vote and it is up by over 90,000 votes. You can't reasonably go from being down by any number of votes with 99% counted to winning by that large a margin at 100% without special circumstances.

Just a bit fishy because here is the statement by election officials after a glitch almost let them get it wrong! Not a single mention of the error whatsoever:
David Host, a spokesman for the Florida secretary of state, had called the elections "an unqualified success."
Host said minor problems erupted with optical scanners at one precinct in Osceola County, one in Brevard, two in Orange and two in Duval, "but they were quickly remedied."
One 92-year-old woman in Miami even voted in her car, using a laptop computer that workers at the precinct brought out to her.
In Miami-Dade County, "a handful of voters" were forced to cast paper ballots during about three hours when all five machines at one polling place failed. A total of 80 paper ballots were cast.

I report, you decide...

 

[petre]

Early VNS exit polling
by Jerome Armstrong

Here is some of the early VNS data(correction, National Election Pool, not VNS), fwiw:

AZ CO LA PA OH FL MI NM MN WI IA NHKerry 45 48 42 60 52 51 51 50 58 52 49 57Bush 55 51 57 40 48 48 47 48 40 43 49 41</PRE>Now, mind that these are early numbers. And even if correct, they reflect the ones most wanting to vote, and it's still a long way to go... but wow, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire & Minnesota voters can't wait to boot Bush!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/11/2/135756/299



Those early numbers looked so positive for Kerry that Fox News Channel analyst Jim Pinkerton, at 3:30 p.m. EST, said, "I think it looks good for angry Democrats." And on evening news programs, some correspondents subtly telegraphed the polls. NBC's David Gregory said Bush "appeared subdued," while Moran noted the president had expressed a "rare sense of doubt."

 

[petre]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>An analysis of the original AP exit polling, which showed Kerry with a tighter margin and leading in myriad states, raises serious questions about the authenticity of the popular vote in several key states, RAW STORY has learned.

Since the actual outcome of the votes have been called, AP has changed nearly all of their exit polling to tighten the margin. A reason has not been given.

The analysis, first conducted by a poster at the popular Democratic Underground, suggests possible voter fraud in states that do not have electronic voting receipts, and those that limit the media’s access to polls.

Two inquiries placed by RAW STORY with the media contact for the six-network exit polling consortium at NBC News has received no response.

The curious result comes after the head of Diebold, which produces much of the nation’s electronic voting machines, told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is “committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.”

An exit poll involves asking someone after they walk out of the election booth who they voted for. While not a guide for proving results, it can be a mechanism for ensuring voting accuracy and flagging potential fraud. Exit polls were recently used in Venezuela to ensure the vote was accurate and legitimate.

Perhaps more importantly, while exit polling is unreliable, the odds of President Bush having gaining an advantage from every exit poll in swing states is an extremely improbable coincidence.

In Florida, Bush led exit polling by CNN of more than 3 million voters by just 5355 votes. Yet he led by 326,000 in the end result. This morning, CNN changed their exit polling to favor Bush, saying that had overweighted African American voters.

In Wisconsin, where exit polls put Kerry up seven percent, Bush has a lead of one percent, an unexplained difference of eight percent.

In New Mexico, Kerry led Bush by 3.8 percent, yet Bush leads Kerry by 3 percent in actual reported voting.

In Minnesota, where a new law sharply restricts reporters’ access to polls, Kerry led 9.6 percent in exit polling. Actual voting counts found that Bush trailed by 5 percent, with a 5 percent discrepancy favoring Bush.

Ohio, which does have paper trail capability but does not mandate receipts, had exits showed Kerry and Bush in a dead heat; in the near-final results, Bush led by three percent.

Exit polls put Kerry up by 8 percent in Michigan; actual results show Bush trailing by just 3 percent.

Nevada, which also has electronic voting – though should have mandated paper trails, had a variance of 4.2 percent. Kerry led the exit polls by 1.2 percent, while Bush led reported votes by 3 percent.

Two states with paper trails for voting were within 0.5 percent margin of error.

New Hampshire, which has electronic voting but provides verified receipts, exit polling is within 0.1 percent of the actual vote. Kerry led by 3 percent in exit polling, and 2.9 percent in the actual vote.

Maine, the final state for which analysis of exit polling was conducted before the AP “resampled” their data, was in the Kerry column by 7.5 percent; the end result put Kerry up 8 percent, a variance of 0.5 percent. Maine has no electronic voting.

Kerry does not gain by any significant margin in actual voting in any state for which analysis has been conducted, RAW STORY found.

Exit polling accurately predicted the results in most states with very little error. Where there were discrepancies, they were significant in the +5 percent range, and always favored Bush.

Allegations of voter fraud is not new to President Bush. On November 12, 2000, the Washington Post ran an article suggesting anomalies in the hotly constested state of Florida.

Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official of Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and found that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000 votes. But when she checked the county’s Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore’s count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000 … all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters.

Early returns from Florida showed the Green Party candidate leading President Bush and Sen. Kerry in two Ohio counties. They later appeared corrected, but raised eyebrows among liberal bloggers. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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[toon67]

Liberals,
You have four more years to think of something different to whine about after losing the 08 election.

 

[PatPatriot]

I'd be mad as hell.Hey Lets get together and call the democratic election committee in Palm Beach county, you know the ones that run it....cheaters.