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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=629 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>The great thing about stuff like this, is its potential to portray religion

as a refuge for lunatics. The more of these people there are, the

more marginalised religion becomes for mainstream society.

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No proof bombers Muslims - Bakri



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Omar Bakri Mohammed says he would never co-operate with police







</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Islamic cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed does not believe the London bombers were Muslims, he has told BBC News.




The UK-based Syrian-born preacher said there was no evidence four young Muslim men filmed at a station prior to the attacks were responsible for the bombs.

He condemned "any killing of innocent people here and abroad" but said he would never co-operate with police.

The cleric is facing demands for his deportation after making comments partly blaming Britain for the bombs.

The Metropolitan Police has confirmed that Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Hasib Hussain, 18, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, and Germaine Lindsay, 19, carried out the bombings.

The force released a CCTV image of the group entering Luton station on the day of the explosions, in which they, and 52 others died.

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In an interview with BBC News 24, Omar Bakri Mohammed said the government, the public and the Muslim community were all to blame for not doing enough to prevent the 7 July attacks.

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And he blamed the tabloid press for "distorting" his views and those of other clerics, including Sheikh Abu Hamza, currently on trial for allegedly soliciting people to murder non-Muslims and inciting racial hatred.

But in another interview, with BBC1's 10 O'clock News, he said there was "no way" he would condemn Osama Bin Laden.

He said: "Why I condemn Osama Bin Laden for? I condemn Tony Blair, I condemn George Bush. I would never condemn Osama Bin Laden or any Muslims."

And he blamed the UK government's "evil foreign policy and the war on terror" for pushing Muslims in "the wrong direction".

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On Radio 4's Today programme, Omar Bakri Mohammed said Britons should use all political means "to make the British government realise that they create enemy, whether abroad or at home because of their own invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan".

But said he believed Islam forbade Muslims to fight the people they lived side by side with.

"To live among them, and sell with them and deal with them and trade with them and then fight them, that is completely not Islamic."

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The London-based preacher told BBC News 24 radical Muslims were "part of the solution" not part of the problem, because they were respected by Muslim youths.

By imposing restrictions on radical clerics, the government had reduced their ability to "hold back" young Muslims angry at events in places such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, the Palestinian territories and Kashmir, he said.

He distanced himself from "moderate" Muslims, who he said "cannot hold anyone back".

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He added that he would not co-operate with the British police, even to alert them if he knew another terror attack was imminent.

"I believe co-operation with the British police would never ever prevent any action like this.

"The youth will leave us. The youth will see us, at that time, the voice, the eyes and the ears of the British government. "The way to earn the heart of the British youth is by the divine text, to say God say it and ... Mohammed say it, 'Do not attack the people you live among.' Not to tell them, 'Tony Blair say it, the law say it, don't do so.'" The cleric, who has lived in Britain for 20 years, indicated he would not resist if he were to be deported, saying: "If God destined for me to be deported, or to be imprisoned, nobody can save me."<!-- E BO -->

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eek said " The great thing about stuff like this, is its potential to portray religion
as a refuge for lunatics. The more of these people there are, the
more marginalised religion becomes for mainstream society."

That might be the way you see it eek, as you paint all religion with a very broad brush, calling religion itself a "refuge for lunatics".

Tell me eek - do you really think the ArchBishop of Canterberry is a radical fanatic?

Your inability to see the Christian moral debate and radical Islam as separate issues also indicates a fundemental misunderstanding of religion itself; a shortcoming found in the minds of many liberal thinkers. They somehow see the Islamic terrorist that wants to kill them and the Christian zealot that wants to end abortion and see a return to civil society as being equally dangerous.

The fact of the matter that Mr Bakri wants to further isolate the Islamic community from civil society so he and his ilk can foment more unrest within the ranks. This would lead to more unrest and then a breakdown in the community ending in civil unrest and further acts of terrorism.

Arrest the bastard and throw his ass in Jail! Deport him if you can! Do the same to everyone who does the same - either that, or plan to see more bombs in London - and Liverpool - and leeds - and....well, I'm sure you get the picture.

If you don't want to do that, then try the old liberal huggie kissee method - it won't work, but you might feel better for it!

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It's Europe-wide BB

No religious maniacs allowed.
Another homo and female hater bites the dust.

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Buttiglione caused outrage when he suggested homosexuality was a sin

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Italy's controversial European Commission nominee, Rocco Buttiglione, has said he is standing down as commissioner-designate.

"I am ready to stand aside to smooth the way for (the) commission," he said.

Mr Buttiglione faced opposition from the European Parliament over his views on homosexuality and women.

The incoming Commission president, Jose Manuel Barroso, earlier withdrew his proposed list of commissioners because of the dispute.

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The EU parliament can only approve nominations for the 25-seat executive Commission as a whole.

Reading from a statement, Mr Buttiglione said he wished the Barroso commission every success because Europe needed a strong commission.



'Innocent victim'

His voice shaking with emotion, Mr Buttiglione said "I'm an innocent victim of an orchestrated campaign".

He said his views about gays had been misquoted, and he criticised the press for superficial coverage.

"I am not an adversary to human rights, I am a champion of them," he said.

He went on to thank Mr Barroso for having "defended me as much as possible".

The Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, said on Friday that Mr Buttiglione would most likely be replaced as Italy's nominee to the new commission.

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Mr Buttiglione, a close friend of Pope John Paul II, will remain a minister in the Berlusconi government.

The BBC's chief political correspondent Guto Harri in Rome says there has been speculation that Foreign Minister Franco Frattini will be appointed to take on the job.

Mario Monti, a former Italian EU Commissioner, has also been frequently mentioned as a replacement and would be a popular choice, our correspondent says. The issue of Mr Buttiglione's appointment to the commission overshadowed the signing of the EU constitution, in a lavish ceremony in Rome on Friday. As the event progressed, Mr Barroso held hurried talks with EU leaders to seek support for his planned changes to the commission.

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Patriot said:
Amish????


Amish can widdle a bomb from wood you know....
 
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eek, please don't misunderstand me - but the United States is not Europe (Thank God).

I personally see Western Europe as a selfish and hedonistic society with a limited remaining economic lifespan. With a basically homogenous culture, the Euros have taken in, but NOT assimilated a large immigrant population that has been marginalized and iosolated. No wonder you guys have problems.

The United States is an hetergenous culture that readily accepts and assimilates immigrants from diverse ethnic, racial and cultural backgrounds. The more ambitious quickly becoming small businessmen and growing roots in their local (sometimes ethnic) community. By the third generation, they're all Americans, through and through.

Yes, we have our problems - but at least our home growns ain't blowing themselves up on our subway system.
 
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Islamic cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed does not believe the London bombers were Muslims, he has told BBC News.

I believe Mr. Mohammed!
Rove is leaking to Novak or is it the other way around:icon_conf I'm not sure but one of them is leaking it was a band of Quaker Terrorists.
 
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bblight said:
eek, please don't misunderstand me - but the United States is not Europe (Thank God).

I personally see Western Europe as a selfish and hedonistic society with a limited remaining economic lifespan. With a basically homogenous culture, the Euros have taken in, but NOT assimilated a large immigrant population that has been marginalized and iosolated. No wonder you guys have problems.

The United States is an hetergenous culture that readily accepts and assimilates immigrants from diverse ethnic, racial and cultural backgrounds. The more ambitious quickly becoming small businessmen and growing roots in their local (sometimes ethnic) community. By the third generation, they're all Americans, through and through.

Yes, we have our problems - but at least our home growns ain't blowing themselves up on our subway system.
Spoken like someone who has never been to one of the Chinatowns in most metropolitan areas of our fair country.
As for the last paragraph I can only add yet.
 

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It may have been a Buddist.
 

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