Smoke, I totally agree with ya but the one thing to remember is how much the lines can and probably will move by the time those games roll around. I could see both of those games going to a 6 1/2 very easily, especially if they get hammered real early. My new $$ team is gonaa have to be the Ravens. With the addition of McNair & Anderson this year and the DB trio of McAllister, Reed, and Rolle I think they hammer a lot of folks this year.