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Not the start I have been hoping for. Bad results and bad breaks have lead to the worst three weeks I have produced in the NFL. If I am not pleased with the results tonight, I will probably hang up posting plays the rest of this season.
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Panthers @ Cowboys
Play: Panthers +9
Relative Strength: Upper Medium
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The Cowboys did nothing in the off season or the first two games to warrant so much respect. Beating up on the Bucs in week was has proven common practice for all of their opponents, and following it up with a home loss leaves a lot to be desired for the Cowboys. Sentiment may be at an all time low for the Panthers. After losing last year’s playoff game in the fashion they did and following it up with 2 bad losses this year, it appears that oddsmakers are no longer valuing them as a playoff contender. I said it last week, and will say it again; the best time to back the Panthers is when their back is against the wall and are underdogs.
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One facet of the Panthers team in which I feel has material upward mobility is their defense. They possess a well balanced unit that can defend both the run and pass above average, but have been underachieving so far year to date. Peppers and a couple other players have favorable match ups in this game, which should allow them to put pressure on the quarterback, something in which they were unable to do the first couple of games. The Cowboys offense is inconsistent and mistake prone largely because of Romo. Romo once again proved last week that he is not a big game quarterback. This weeks game is another really big one for him.
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A lot of mention has surrounded Delhomme and the Panthers anemic offense. However, there has been no mention that the Cowboys possess a sub par defense. The Panthers offensive success is contingent on their running game. Although the Cowboys did contain the Giants running game last week, this is a very sub par facet to their game, and would be surprised if the Panthers do not establish a highly efficient ground game. This should open things up for Delhomme, who is coming off a solid game last week.
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Until the Cowboys prove to be a contender, they do not warrant laying such high odds. Although the Panthers have not proved anything either, this is a team who comes out of the woodwork when you least expect it.
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Panthers @ Cowboys
Play: Under 48
Relative Strength: Large
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The market has brought down the line of the Panthers 2 points at most places since the open. They also bid up the Total as much as three points. It looks like the market is bullish on the Panthers offense or bearish on the Cowboys defense. However, where I am finding the most value is on the Panthers defense and betting against an overrated Cowboys offense. The Panthers defense is nowhere nearly as anemic as what they showed the last couple of weeks. They have a lot of talent and past success to make me think they do not bounce back soon enough. Expect the Cowboys to come out trying to establish a running game, as Romo once again proved he can not be relied on. Without Barber, the Cowboys may find it harder to consistently establish a well balanced attack that moves the ball downfield. Romo’s inconsistencies also increases the chances that the Cowboys points scored well not be commensurate to their yards gained.
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Not sure why the market appears to be so bullish on the Panthers offense. Even if they do perform much better than they did the last couple of weeks, this actually may favor the Under, as the Panthers would like to slow down the pace of this game, establish a heavy dose of running and use a lot of short passes to allow Delhomme to get his rhythm and confidence back. The last thing they want to do is turn this into a shootout, as their offense is not built for such. The Cowboys defense should allow the Panthers to ground out yards on the ground. Their ability to get to the quarterback should also force Delhomme to heavily rely on first level passing. Thus, if the Panthers do find success on offense, it will come at the expense of eating up a heavy dose of clock.
 
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Buffett,

Bills really wiped my card out yesterday. Once again I've hammered the NCAA's to give it back on Sunday. I'm with you on tonights plays as well. Good luck and remember the tide will turn.

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like the under but your overreacting to one bad game by Romo.

if you really look at the stats you will see Romo is actually a very consistently good QB...its public perception that he suck in big games though which is totally inaccurate.

i can go on and on about this game but its not wroth the time. i know you won't change your mind on Romo

keep in mind that the public perception of this game does not match the line in the game.

public perception is we have 2 struggling teams that are evenly matched...yet the line is dallas - 9...could it be that people who actually get paid to make these lines see that dallas is obviously the much better team. GL to you sir
 

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like the under but your overreacting to one bad game by Romo.

if you really look at the stats you will see Romo is actually a very consistently good QB...its public perception that he suck in big games though which is totally inaccurate.

i can go on and on about this game but its not wroth the time. i know you won't change your mind on Romo

keep in mind that the public perception of this game does not match the line in the game.

public perception is we have 2 struggling teams that are evenly matched...yet the line is dallas - 9...could it be that people who actually get paid to make these lines see that dallas is obviously the much better team. GL to you sir

The numbers are out there that suggests Romo struggles down the stretch in important games and in the playoffs. In fact, he has never won a playoff game, so the argument that he is a big game quarterback is weakened by the notion they were actually not good enough to actually advance a round in the 3 years he has been the starting quarterback. A better argument may be that the numbers in his big games (i.e. the last two games last year that kept the Cowboys out of the playoffs) are decieving.

Public perception is not that we have two evenly matched teams. If that were the case, the spread would be 3. The market has made the case that oddsmakers have overated the Cowboys (or underated the Panthers) with their opening line. They are not suggesting these teams are equals. The NFL market is highly efficient, and the opening lines have proven to be the weakest form of efficiency within this market over the years. The discussion of when the NFL market reaches peak efficiency within the week is a entirely different discussion.

Best of luck.
 

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Buffett,

Bills really wiped my card out yesterday. Once again I've hammered the NCAA's to give it back on Sunday. I'm with you on tonights plays as well. Good luck and remember the tide will turn.

GEKKO

How did your CFB do this week?
 

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I'm rolling with you tonight too. Still a long season. You are too good enough and discipline handicapper to not turn this around. Skill will eventually kick in.

Love the analysis, BTW.
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The numbers are out there that suggests Romo struggles down the stretch in important games and in the playoffs. In fact, he has never won a playoff game, so the argument that he is a big game quarterback is weakened by the notion they were actually not good enough to actually advance a round in the 3 years he has been the starting quarterback. A better argument may be that the numbers in his big games (i.e. the last two games last year that kept the Cowboys out of the playoffs) are decieving.

Public perception is not that we have two evenly matched teams. If that were the case, the spread would be 3. The market has made the case that oddsmakers have overated the Cowboys (or underated the Panthers) with their opening line. They are not suggesting these teams are equals. The NFL market is highly efficient, and the opening lines have proven to be the weakest form of efficiency within this market over the years. The discussion of when the NFL market reaches peak efficiency within the week is a entirely different discussion.

Best of luck.


i am going to list some "big games" that Romo has played in over the years...you said yourself that tonight is a big game so games like tonights will be included...you tell me if he struggles

2006

1. First start ever!! on sunday night football against these very same Panthers...24/36 67% 270yds 1 TD 1 INT...dallas wins 35-14

2. at home against the undefeated COlts...he leads dallas to a 21-14 win...19/23 83% 226yds 0 Td 0 Int

3. playoff game @ Sea...everyone talks about the dropped snap AS A HOLDER, but he played a pretty good game in a VERY tough enviorment as a first year starter...17/29 59% 189yds 1 TD 0 INT...lost 21-20

2007

best statistical year of any Dallas QB of all time!! keep in mind this was his first full year as the starting QB...took over week 6 for Bledsoe in 2006


1. first game of the year against NYG at home...15/24 63% 345yds 4 TD 1 INT...45-35 win

2. third game of the year on the road against the defending NFC champs (Chi) on sunday night....22/35 63% 329yds 2 TD 1 INT...34-10 win

3. at philly (defending NFC east champs)...20/25 80% 324yds 3 TD 1 INT...38-17 win

4. very next week at Giants to clinch the NFC east... 20/28 71% 247yds 4 TD 1 INT...31-20 win

5. at home on THursday night against 12-1 Packers to clinch homefield....19/30 63% 309yds 4 TD 1 INT...37-27 win

6. playoff game against the Giants...if you watched the game you would know that the dropped pass by Crayton for a TD cost dallas the game...not a great game but not horrible either...18/36 50% 201yds 1 TD 1 INT...the INT was a 4th down play with 10 seconds left at the giants 25...basically a hali mary shot in the endzone that was picked off


2008

started off on fire until he got hurt (4 out of 6 games he thrw for 300 yds and 3 TD's and didnt throw more then 1 INT in any of the games)

played good in every game besides the game on the road against Pitt (3 Int)...the philly game to end the year was a buzzsaw and the whole team played horrible (romo only had 1 INT)

against Balt he threw for 250 yds with 2 TD's and 2 INT's both to Ed Reed who i believe has done that a time or 2

the week in between losses at Pitt and home against Balt...dallas destroyed the NYG and Romo played awesome...20/30 67% 241yds and 2 TD's with 0 INT's...this was a HUGE game on sunday night football.


I can tell you listen too much to what the media says...i only listen to ESPn and other media outlets for 2 things...

1. great gauge on what the general public thinks...really helps finding line value

2. to find out what WON'T happen because 99% of the time the media is wrong about any type of prediction they make.

GL bud just some food for thought and i am bored on a monday :laugh:
 

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:laugh: at thinking Romo doesn't struggle in big games. Since when is ONE or couple regular season games consider big?
 

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:laugh: at thinking Romo doesn't struggle in big games. Since when is ONE or couple regular season games consider big?


i think i listed more then a couple of games...my point was everybody is saying how Romo sturggles in these big games like tonight...my point is he has played in these EXACT same type of games as tonights tons of times and more often then not, he plays great in them


see that's what is funny to me...i showed you proof that he doesn't...you spout the same ESPN bullshat out that everyone else does.

the thing that cracks me up is when people talk about Romo and his big games, they only bring up/ call it a big game if he plays bad...if he plays good its just another game.

i gave u facts about these so called big games (nite game division games late in the year) you give me bullshat

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Guy HAS NOT won one playoff game and missed the playoffs last year when he has been in good situations all in his career. Oh yeah he doesn't struggle in big games. :laugh:
 

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i am going to list some "big games" that Romo has played in over the years...you said yourself that tonight is a big game so games like tonights will be included...you tell me if he struggles

2006

1. First start ever!! on sunday night football against these very same Panthers...24/36 67% 270yds 1 TD 1 INT...dallas wins 35-14

2. at home against the undefeated COlts...he leads dallas to a 21-14 win...19/23 83% 226yds 0 Td 0 Int

3. playoff game @ Sea...everyone talks about the dropped snap AS A HOLDER, but he played a pretty good game in a VERY tough enviorment as a first year starter...17/29 59% 189yds 1 TD 0 INT...lost 21-20

2007

best statistical year of any Dallas QB of all time!! keep in mind this was his first full year as the starting QB...took over week 6 for Bledsoe in 2006


1. first game of the year against NYG at home...15/24 63% 345yds 4 TD 1 INT...45-35 win

2. third game of the year on the road against the defending NFC champs (Chi) on sunday night....22/35 63% 329yds 2 TD 1 INT...34-10 win

3. at philly (defending NFC east champs)...20/25 80% 324yds 3 TD 1 INT...38-17 win

4. very next week at Giants to clinch the NFC east... 20/28 71% 247yds 4 TD 1 INT...31-20 win

5. at home on THursday night against 12-1 Packers to clinch homefield....19/30 63% 309yds 4 TD 1 INT...37-27 win

6. playoff game against the Giants...if you watched the game you would know that the dropped pass by Crayton for a TD cost dallas the game...not a great game but not horrible either...18/36 50% 201yds 1 TD 1 INT...the INT was a 4th down play with 10 seconds left at the giants 25...basically a hali mary shot in the endzone that was picked off


2008

started off on fire until he got hurt (4 out of 6 games he thrw for 300 yds and 3 TD's and didnt throw more then 1 INT in any of the games)

played good in every game besides the game on the road against Pitt (3 Int)...the philly game to end the year was a buzzsaw and the whole team played horrible (romo only had 1 INT)

against Balt he threw for 250 yds with 2 TD's and 2 INT's both to Ed Reed who i believe has done that a time or 2

the week in between losses at Pitt and home against Balt...dallas destroyed the NYG and Romo played awesome...20/30 67% 241yds and 2 TD's with 0 INT's...this was a HUGE game on sunday night football.


I can tell you listen too much to what the media says...i only listen to ESPn and other media outlets for 2 things...

1. great gauge on what the general public thinks...really helps finding line value

2. to find out what WON'T happen because 99% of the time the media is wrong about any type of prediction they make.

GL bud just some food for thought and i am bored on a monday :laugh:

How many playoff games has he won?
 

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How many playoff games has he won?


shit you're right!!! i just cancelled my bet on dallas...i completely forgot this was a playoff game...stupid me...i thought this was a game in september where Romo is 8-2 SU and ATS

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Guy HAS NOT won one playoff game and missed the playoffs last year when he has been in good situations all in his career. Oh yeah he doesn't struggle in big games. :laugh:


see my last post...you guys do realize that this is september, not the playoffs right??
 

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i am going to list some "big games" that Romo has played in over the years...you said yourself that tonight is a big game so games like tonights will be included...you tell me if he struggles

2006

1. First start ever!! on sunday night football against these very same Panthers...24/36 67% 270yds 1 TD 1 INT...dallas wins 35-14

2. at home against the undefeated COlts...he leads dallas to a 21-14 win...19/23 83% 226yds 0 Td 0 Int

3. playoff game @ Sea...everyone talks about the dropped snap AS A HOLDER, but he played a pretty good game in a VERY tough enviorment as a first year starter...17/29 59% 189yds 1 TD 0 INT...lost 21-20

2007

best statistical year of any Dallas QB of all time!! keep in mind this was his first full year as the starting QB...took over week 6 for Bledsoe in 2006


1. first game of the year against NYG at home...15/24 63% 345yds 4 TD 1 INT...45-35 win

2. third game of the year on the road against the defending NFC champs (Chi) on sunday night....22/35 63% 329yds 2 TD 1 INT...34-10 win

3. at philly (defending NFC east champs)...20/25 80% 324yds 3 TD 1 INT...38-17 win

4. very next week at Giants to clinch the NFC east... 20/28 71% 247yds 4 TD 1 INT...31-20 win

5. at home on THursday night against 12-1 Packers to clinch homefield....19/30 63% 309yds 4 TD 1 INT...37-27 win

6. playoff game against the Giants...if you watched the game you would know that the dropped pass by Crayton for a TD cost dallas the game...not a great game but not horrible either...18/36 50% 201yds 1 TD 1 INT...the INT was a 4th down play with 10 seconds left at the giants 25...basically a hali mary shot in the endzone that was picked off


2008

started off on fire until he got hurt (4 out of 6 games he thrw for 300 yds and 3 TD's and didnt throw more then 1 INT in any of the games)

played good in every game besides the game on the road against Pitt (3 Int)...the philly game to end the year was a buzzsaw and the whole team played horrible (romo only had 1 INT)

against Balt he threw for 250 yds with 2 TD's and 2 INT's both to Ed Reed who i believe has done that a time or 2

the week in between losses at Pitt and home against Balt...dallas destroyed the NYG and Romo played awesome...20/30 67% 241yds and 2 TD's with 0 INT's...this was a HUGE game on sunday night football.


I can tell you listen too much to what the media says...i only listen to ESPn and other media outlets for 2 things...

1. great gauge on what the general public thinks...really helps finding line value

2. to find out what WON'T happen because 99% of the time the media is wrong about any type of prediction they make.

GL bud just some food for thought and i am bored on a monday :laugh:

Well, it looks like you mined out a few games that you construed as "big" (that drastically skew the numbers) and left out a couple that certainly had more importance. Nonetheless, giving you the benefit of the doubt and incorporating all your games mentioned and giving them equal weight (which certainly would not be prudent in trying to decipher how well Romo handles pressure, as playing a losing Bears team in 2007 to wrap everything up, which would have happened even if they lost, does not carry the same pressure and importance of a playoff game or must win to get in game) Romos QB rating in all games mentioned is 90.42, while his out of sample QB rating is 96.58. To make the case he performs better in big games simply falls short no matter how you want to stretch it.

Now, this is not an endorsement that he is primed for a bad game tonight, simply stating history has shown he has performed worse under pressure. Maybe tonight will prove otherwise, and he can pave the way for his first career playoff win this season.

For what it is worth, I have not watched an ESPN show in five years and don't plan on watching one anytime soon.
Best of luck tonight.
 

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Well, it looks like you mined out a few games that you construed as "big" (that drastically skew the numbers) and left out a couple that certainly had more importance. Nonetheless, giving you the benefit of the doubt and incorporating all your games mentioned and giving them equal weight (which certainly would not be prudent in trying to decipher how well Romo handles pressure, as playing a losing Bears team in 2007 to wrap everything up, which would have happened even if they lost, does not carry the same pressure and importance of a playoff game or must win to get in game) Romos QB rating in all games mentioned is 90.42, while his out of sample QB rating is 96.58. To make the case he performs better in big games simply falls short no matter how you want to stretch it.

Now, this is not an endorsement that he is primed for a bad game tonight, simply stating history has shown he has performed worse under pressure. Maybe tonight will prove otherwise, and he can pave the way for his first career playoff win this season.

For what it is worth, I have not watched an ESPN show in five years and don't plan on watching one anytime soon.
Best of luck tonight.


sorry but you are wrong in the above statement. The bears game you are questioning was Week 3 in 2007...the year after the bears went to the superbowl...so to recap it was a sunday night game IN CHICAGO, against the defending NFC champs....no one knew at that point the bears would be badas they were 2-0 to start the year... I would call that a bigger game then tonights game that's for sure...and it was on the road


please also show me the "big games" i left out in my analaysis??? i came with real facts you are just speculating sir. GL to you none the less
 

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since when do you get discouraged?
and i am with you on the espn thing too
 

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GL tonight, I lean both directions with you -- both teams running should keep this one Under (I'm playing the Over 45 and Under 48.5 middle). It's been a funny opening 3 weeks, I'm also down some right now. My lines on both sides and totals have been good when looking at total yards and yards per play, but the vast majority of the red zone turnovers and special teams/defensive scores are the opposite of what I need on a play. Last night's Cardinals' turnovers on the 1 and 6 to end up losing the Over by 6 points just one of many example, lol. Hopefully our luck will turn the corner sooner rather than later.
 

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