Newsweek Poll Shows Clark is Already the Frontrunner

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Clark's Fast Start

And this poll was taken just a day or two after he announced and among many he has to still be somewhat of an unknown. The head-to-head matchup with Bush is particularly interesting with him faring better than any of the others. He's almost even with Bush and he just declared and many don't even know who he is. He'd be 10 points ahead after a debate.

Concededly though, this is a national poll and Clark needs to work hard in the battleground states where his opponents have made there home for months.
 

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....sounds like it could fizzle out eventually though like John McCain (against George W. Bush).

Would he win the Democratic vote against the likes of Howard Dean, John Kerry and John Edwards anyway?
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James, there's a huge difference in your analogy and in fact I see it exactly oppositely. The difference is that GWB was "the party's candidate" (e.g. supported by the establishment) and McCain was the maverick. It's looking more and more like Clark is going to emerge as "the party's candidate" because he matches up better with Bush and because he's got a cadre of Clinton/Gore people working for him (and the fundraising that goes with it) and has 30-40 Congressional endorsements lined up. Dean has done a great job of building grassroots (and netroots) support (a lot like McCain did) but party insiders are wary of him because he looks like McGovern II. I just don't see any of the others going anywhere. It's Dean vs. Clark and all that it entails. Dean is ahead in fundraising obviously but I think Vlark will make up ground fast when the deep-pocket democrats see that he's the best hope and they see the poll numbers in how he matches up with Bush. The overwhelming theme in picking a candidates is going to be "anyboyd but Bush" and in that light a great deal of folks are simple going to pick the candidate they think has the best chance in that regard. Looks pretty clear that person is Clark.
 

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Its awfully early to make these judgements. Look at Arnold, people knew him for simple things and no one had scrutinized him. Rare is the man who does better after he starts getting the background issues looked at and dirt gets digged up. Bush's shortcomings are already known, many of Dean's are getting out, almost none of Clark's are out there. And lets face this fact, Clark is going to have to deal with the fact that he has ZERO experience in public office. Sure being in the military is nice, but being a politician is a world unlike anything else. Think of how in the military you simply give commands or follow them, in politics the roles change daily and you can't just tell people to follow your orders. This is why few military guys get into elected roles as it is. President might be the best spot, but still getting Congress to work with him is not easy. So people need to think about this and temper their excitement until he deals with this issue and makes the public and other politicians comfortable with it.
 

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Is this the same poll? Well, either way, here it is.
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Poll: Clark Comes Close to Beating Bush
PRNewswire
Sunday, Sept. 21, 2003

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, who announced his presidential candidacy this week, leads all Democratic contenders who are currently in the race with 14 percent of the vote among registered Democrats and Democratic leaners, according to the latest Newsweek Poll.

He's followed by former Vermont Governor Howard Dean and Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, who both get 12 percent of the vote.

Clark's impressive debut is undercut, however, by the sizable percentage of all those polled (45%) who say they've never heard of him before now, the poll shows.

In a test election against President Bush, 43 percent of registered voters say they'd vote for Clark or lean toward Clark, compared to 47 percent who'd vote for Bush or lean toward Bush.

By comparison, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry trails Bush by 48 percent v. 43 percent of registered voters and Dean trails Bush by 52 percent v. 38 percent, the poll shows.

If former Vice President Al Gore were in the race against Bush, the race would be close again: 45 percent of registered voters would vote for Gore and 48 percent for Bush; with the margin of error, it's a statistical tie.

But if New York Sen. Hillary Clinton were facing Bush, Bush leads with 50 percent of the vote versus 43 percent for Clinton, the poll shows.

President Bush's job approval rating continued to drop in the Newsweek Poll, to 51 percent. And by a margin of 50 percent to 44 percent, registered voters say they would not like to see Bush re-elected to another term.

For the first time in the Newsweek Poll, Bush's approval for his handling of the situation in Iraq has dropped below 50 percent to 46 percent, a drop of 5 percentage points from the Newsweek Poll of September 11-12, 2003.

Forty- seven percent of all those polled disapprove of how he's handling the situation in Iraq, an increase of 5 percentage points from the earlier poll.

Bush's approval slide continues in ratings for his handling of other issues.

On the economy: approval dropped to 38 percent (from 41%) but disapproval jumped six points to 57 percent. Bush also scores in the low 40s on the environment (43%) and taxes (42%).

The only area where Bush continues strong support is his handling of policies to prevent and minimize terrorism at home: 66 percent, the poll shows.

On the subject of Iraq, 56 percent of all those polled say they think the amount of money the U.S. is spending for operations in post-war Iraq is too high; 31 percent say the amount is just right. And although this week members of the Bush administration said there is no connection between Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq and the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, 47 percent of those polled believe there is a connection; 37 percent say no.

With Clark joining the 2004 Presidential race, 26 percent of those polled, and 24 percent of registered voters, believe it's very important that a president of the United States served in the military; 37 percent of all voters (38% of registered voters) say it's somewhat important while 35 percent (36% of registered voters) say it's not important.

Considering the challenges the U.S. faces in fighting terrorism in the coming years, 36 percent of all those polled say having a president who had served a top military commander would make them feel safer and more secure; 61 percent say it wouldn't make much difference.

Forty percent of all those polled say Clark's military background makes them feel more confident in his ability to deal with national defense and security issues than any of the other democrats running for president, the poll shows.

But 42 percent say it doesn't make them feel more confident.

And 52 percent of all those polled say the fact that Clark has never held political office doesn't make much difference in whether or they'd support his candidacy for president; 13 percent say it makes it more likely to support him and 24 percent it makes them less likely to support him.

Twenty-six percent of all those polled have a favorable opinion of Clark; 11 percent have an unfavorable opinion and 45 percent say they've never heard of him. Among registered voters, 27 percent have a favorable opinion; 12 have an unfavorable opinion and 42 percent have never heard of him. Of Democrats and Democratic leaners, 36 say favorable; 6 percent unfavorable and 43 percent say they've never heard of him.

For this Newsweek Poll, Princeton Survey Research Associates interviewed 1,001 adults aged 18 and older on September 18-19, 2003. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percent. This poll is part of the September 29 issue of Newsweek (on newsstands Monday, September 22).
 

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Bunyon, yes same poll. The funny thing is it says his "impressive debut is undercut" by the fact that 45 percent have never heard of him. Heck, that makes it MORE impressive. I think we can figure that 45% didn't say they would vote for him so that cut down his possible pool in the poll by almost half. So among people that have heard of him he's 14/55, over 25%. I think we can figure that 45% will learn of him and some of them will support him. These are unbelievable results given that he just declared and is largely an unknown. Still, it presents opportunity and risk but without a doubt he has a great chance to win. They said he raised 750K on the net in 3 days. The big money donors are likely to roll in soon too. Thursday's economic polic debate is going to be big.

Bill, actually 11 generals have been Presdient so it's far from unprecedented, and by and large they've made good Presidents.
 

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Well, it just gets better. A new USA Today-Gallup national poll taken Sept 19-21 released today has Clark at 22% among democratic voters with Dean second at 13% and Kerry 11%. In head-head vs. Bush, Clark is ahead 49-46 with other Dems a little behind.

Let the Repub smearfest against Clark begin in earnest. Rovies are scared, very scared. Novak has been spending the entire last week trying to smear him. Sorry guys, that shit ain't gonna fly. Bush is going down. Clark for President in '04!!! President Wesley Clark -- Get used to it!
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I just don't see it being that easy. Clark could win, but that is a sad statement saying a guy wins an election because they elected a guy that no one knew and had no experience running things. Yes former generals have been Presidents, but I just think its a different time. I am not a Bushie, but I am not a Dem either. I want a good quality guy, someone who can get things done and will respect the country and not trample on some rights in the name of earning votes for his reelection cycle. That part of the W Presidency I find particularly disgusting. Shameless attempts at buying votes by following a very narrow interest. That and installing people that I will just call "contrary" to common views. On those respects yes I like Clark, I think he will put in quality people and build consensus, things W said before getting elected. Enough for now, lets see what Clark pushes as his agenda and how he proposes to accomplish it, then make my decision.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildBill:
I just don't see it being that easy. Clark could win, but that is a sad statement saying a guy wins an election because they elected a guy that no one knew and had no experience running things. Yes former generals have been Presidents, but I just think its a different time. I am not a Bushie, but I am not a Dem either. I want a good quality guy, someone who can get things done and will respect the country and not trample on some rights in the name of earning votes for his reelection cycle. That part of the W Presidency I find particularly disgusting. Shameless attempts at buying votes by following a very narrow interest. That and installing people that I will just call "contrary" to common views. On those respects yes I like Clark, I think he will put in quality people and build consensus, things W said before getting elected. Enough for now, lets see what Clark pushes as his agenda and how he proposes to accomplish it, then make my decision.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Other than Hilliary anybody is better than GW. Hell even Kenny "the shrink"
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