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I am asking for some insight from all of the veteran sports bettors here. Besides reading through the forums what resources can I utilize to learn more about sports and horse betting without losing my shirt the first time? Are there some books and websites you would recommend to a newbie?

Thank you all in advance for your help.

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Welcome to theRx Phigment ....

Can you tell us how you found the website, just curious?

You will find alot of great information right here...
 
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A colleague of mine use to speak very highly of the site a few years ago. I've since switched offices so I am not sure how much he frequents the forums these days.

Where on the site could I get basic info? (explanation of line moves, spotting good oppotunities, rationale for making bets, money management)

You know, all the stuff you vets are sure to take for granted.
 

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Phigment, the best advice I can give a newbie about off-shore sportsbooks is look for a book that pays fast, has been around for a few years, puts up lines fast. I will name three that are "Top Shelf". 1. Pinnacle 2. WSEX 3. Olympic. Good Luck.
 
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Chuck Sims said:
Phigment, the best advice I can give a newbie about off-shore sportsbooks is look for a book that pays fast, has been around for a few years, puts up lines fast. I will name three that are "Top Shelf". 1. Pinnacle 2. WSEX 3. Olympic. Good Luck.

I´d say
1. Pinnacle
2. Olympic and
3. Wsex (actually not even sure if wsex is on my top 5)

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Thank you for the suggestions on reputable book but I am afraid that I am not even there yet. I want to read up on the mechanics of sports betting before putting any money on the line.

Maybe a better question is; What did you do/read before placing your first bet?
 
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Phigment said:
Thank you for the suggestions on reputable book but I am afraid that I am not even there yet. I want to read up on the mechanics of sports betting before putting any money on the line.

Maybe a better question is; What did you do/read before placing your first bet?

I would STRONGLY recommend the following books for beginners, as well as for experienced players............

THE REAL WORLD OF SPORTSBETTING.....BOB McCune

ANY book or write-up authored by SONNY REIZNER

A very big step into your development as a successful sports betting investor is your ACTUAL ON THE JOB LEARNING FROM WAGERING and thus would recommend at LEAST your first year of wagering be looked upon as nothing more than a LEARNING step.

Consider this the SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS

-F-
 
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A start

The Basics of Point Spreads


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Point spread bets are one of the most common sports bets. Spreads are intended to level the betting playing field between two teams. If the handicappers do their job right and choose the right spread number, there should be an even chance of winning or losing the bet taking into account the spread and a roughly equal number of bettors on both sides of the game. It is a way to even the odds and make things a little more fun. In a spread bet, the team perceived to have less of a chance of winning will have points added to their score and the team expected to win will have the same number of points subtracted from their score.
Those points are known as the point spread, and are sometimes called the line or the price.


Let's say you bet on the team everyone expects to win. Since everyone expects this team to win, it will have points subtracted from it's final score - the spread - to even things up. The team must win by the point spread given at the time you placed your sports bet. If the team you bet on still has a greater number of points than the opponent after the point spread has been subtracted from its final score, your bet is said to have covered the spread and you win. Point spreads can go up or down at any time depending on various factors like player injuries, weather, and the like. The spread may also be adjusted if the bets coming into the sportsbooks are disproportionately favoring one side or the other. You are generally locked in to whatever the point spread was at the time you placed your sports bet.

When you look at a point spread, you will see one team with a negative number and one team with a positive number. Remember, for sports betting purposes, points are subtracted from the favorite team's final score to determine if the favorite is a winner. That is why the the favorite team is always listed with a negative number.


As you might expect, the reverse is true for the underdog. The underdog team is given a positive number because points are added to the underdog team's final score to determine if the underdog is a winner for purposes of the sports bet. Events that tie are considered "no action" - no one wins or loses. Let's look at an example. Football is one of the sports that commonly uses spread bets. The Oakland Raiders are playing the New York Jets.
The Raiders are expected to win the game and the spread is 6. So, you see the Raiders listed as -6 and the Jets listed as +6. You place a bet on the Raiders. If the Raiders win by more than 6 points, you win the bet. If the Raiders only win by 6 points, then the game is considered "no action" and all money is returned. If the Raiders win by less than 6 points, you lose the bet.


Note that when you place point spread bets, you are generally laying 110 to win 100 (the book needs it's juice). Try a couple of spread bets and soon point spreads will become second nature. It is a very fun and challenging method of betting.

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A great football handicapping manual............



REAL WORLD SPORTS BETTING
by O'neill, Kevin
Order 665513...$29.95

O'Neill's newest (he also wrote Football Betting: Strategies for the Smart Player and Football Betting's Cutting Edge: Strategies for a New Era) is titled Real World Sports Betting: How Real People Make Real Money In the Global Marketplace ( It contains 28 chapters with major sections on pro and college football betting, and with information on pro and college basketball, discussions on teaser bets, money line parlays; profiting from offshore sports book bonuses; benefiting from sports book mistakes; advice on money management; and choosing the right sports books for both opportunity and safety. O'Neill, who's been there and done a lot, explains how things have changed for both the bet-makers and the bet-takers, via technology, heightened knowledge, sharper individuals and new theories of handicapping. The book is structured solidly with many ideas for the beginner or the somewhat experienced player who needs fresh thoughts and a new approach to betting sports. 109 pages, 8x11 plastic spiralbound. 2004.
 
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welcome to the RX phigment
 
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Fishhead, I have a question: Is the "The Real World of Sportsbetting" by Bob McCune the same as "Real World Sports Betting" by Kevin O'Neill?

When I look up the title on Amazon I see the book by McCune is out of print, nothing by O'Neill and Insights into Sports Betting (2nd Edition, New & Revised) [font=verdana,arial,helvetica][size=-1]by Bob McCune[/size][/font].

Just want to clarify.

Thanks
 
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Phigment said:
Fishhead, I have a question: Is the "The Real World of Sportsbetting" by Bob McCune the same as "Real World Sports Betting" by Kevin O'Neill?

When I look up the title on Amazon I see the book by McCune is out of print, nothing by O'Neill and Insights into Sports Betting (2nd Edition, New & Revised) [font=verdana,arial,helvetica][size=-1]by Bob McCune[/size][/font].

Just want to clarify.

Thanks

No, they are DIFFERENT publications by two completely different authors.

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Just IMHO...

It´s always good to study and read about handicapping, learning how to scalp... it´s very important that you study the weather reports, injuries, team´s last performances.. etc.
Your question was very general, very open, but once you know what you´r really looking for will be easier to get advice.
I would also like to say it is very important to find a book that suits your needs, most of the good books have their own specialty... Have at least 3 accounts funded at your fav books, don´t keep all your money in one place...

Here several things to consider:
-Your favorite sports vrs. sports offered
-If you are into regular bets or props
- Dep/withd methods offered and restrictions
-Location
-Limits
-Horses/Casino/Poker
-Quality of clerks (wag/cs)
-Bonuses/vig discount/half points/loyalty pts/free payouts/
-And rules

You´ll find great people here, proffesionals, with many diferent points of view.

Good luck and take care!

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Phigment IMO anything by the late Bob McCune is well worth reading. He wrote several excellent books on sports betting. You can get them from The Gamblers Book Shop in Las Vegas by mail.


http://www.gamblersbook.com/
 
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Maybe I am missing something but I can only find Education of a Sports Bettor by McCune when I look on www.gamberlersbook.com
 
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Phigment said:
Maybe I am missing something but I can only find Education of a Sports Bettor by McCune when I look on www.gamberlersbook.com

Think that is the only one still being sold.............and is basically the same as THE REAL WORLD OF SPORTBETTING with a few different essays missing, and others added.

I would highly recommend the book.

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Phigment - most of Bob's stuff is out of print but The Gamblers Book Store used to carry a lot of 2nd books. My advice would be to call them and ask what they may have on hand (some books may not be listed on-line). You can also do a search on Amazon.com by author and even E-bay may have something.



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Phigment, I hope these threads give you a bit of what you are loooking for.

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=257105&highlight=bradshaw

http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=222685&highlight=stanford+wong


Getting The Best Of It by David Sklansky

Real World Sports Betting by Kevin O'Neill

Lem Banker's Book Of Sports Betting

Betting Thoroughbreds by Steven Davidowitz

Fast Company by Jon Bradshaw

Amazon, Barnes & Noble,etc..have used versions of most all offerings.

Avoid a taste for chalk over 1.40, horses, casinos, or parlays/teasers/tv action, and you are already ahead of most punters, but still have that same brutal learning curve to come that ALL must endure.
 

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How can you say avoid a taste for chalk over 1.40? It's all relative to the market.



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Avoid a taste for chalk over 1.40, horses, casinos, or parlays/teasers/tv action, and you are already ahead of most punters, but still have that same brutal learning curve to come that ALL must endure.
 

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