New York Giants, building for the future...

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- The Giants are the defending SB champs
- The Giants are 6-1 and in first place in the NFC, they just beat one of the top AFC teams on the road, and they bullied the Redskins who are 2nd in their tough division.
- The Giants decided NOT to trade for TE Tony Gonzalez, that tells me they are still trying to build/maintain the team they have, and not trying to sacrafice this year and next for another title shot.
- The Giants basically lost a hall of fame RB 2 years ago, Hall of fame DE this year, and a pro bowl DE.

- The Giants are a deep team besides at QB.


QB: Eli Manning, #1 pick, SB MVP, starting to really " get it". Is in the top 10 QB's in the league and leading a good offense.
RB: Jacobs is a unique cloud of dust back that actually doesn't have a lot of miles. Ward is servicable, and Bradshaw is a great change of pace back that can also return kicks. He should really grow into a good 3rd down back.
Flanker: Burres is the big play guy. He does have the dropsies and he will quit on plays and have penalties, but a lot of teams don't have a guy like him that can draw the double or beat you.
SE: Toomer is a vet guy with hands that can lead the WR core
SE: Steve Smith is a quality WR with good hands that is ideal for 3rd downs. Sort of reminds me of a Bobby Engram type that will do what he is asked to do, and is a good compliment for a big play guy like Burress. Smith has very sure hands.
SE: Dom Hixon is a good return guy first, that can also sub in at WR. He might have a career, but is at worst a return guy.
Slot: Sinorice Moss is an ideal slot guy, has had injury problems, but I'd like for the Giants to start working him into the mix.
WR: Mario Manningham is a guy the Giants drafted at the end of the 3rd round, but he has 1st round talent. We will need a couple of years to evaluate him.
TE: Kevin Boss is probably the easiest place the Giants can draft and upgrade on offense. Boss isn't bad, but he isn't a big play guy and he probably won't make any pro bowls. He is a very good 2nd TE, but doesn't wow you as the starter.
OL- Mebane from the Seahawks gave the best compliment to the Giants O-Line. He said they are a bunch of robots. Too many people put too much stock into the size, weight, push a guy gets, but intelligence is a big thing. Can the O-line work together. Can they identify the blitz, can they pull together, can they zone block together etc. There are probably just as many sacks in the NFL that are due to blown protection schemes, as there are to guys getting beat. That means with a smart QB and Vet OL, the Giants have a huge advantage. The Steelers didn't sack Eli Manning at all today, and they LEAD the NFL in sacks.

DL - Justin Tuck is a pro bowl stud, Mathis Kiwkiuka has a bright future. He is a good pass rusher, might not be excellent against the run, but even with these ends the Giants are better off than most teams. Fred Robins has been playing at a pro bowl level but he is getting older. Alford and Coefield are alright, but I wouldn't mind the Giants adding a DT next year for rotation and to be ready if Robbins gets hurt.

LB - I thought the Giants could have drafted at LB last year, and they brought in a few and brought in Danny Clark. Their LB core isn't bad, but Antoinio Pierce isn't an athlete and they have some young guys around him. I wouldn't mind bringing in that super stud that can play the position for the next 10 years. Kiehl has played well and the Giants brought in a few LB's, but nothing is locked down IMO.

DB- Aaron Ross was a good pick, Webster seems to be playing better, Dockery is underrated, Thomas is a rookie. Phillips will be a good player, and I never really liked James Butler. The Giants have added 3 contributers in the secondary in the past 2 drafts, but they can still add more.


Gerry Reese has drafted well and the team looks good. Reese gets the benefit of the doubt for drafting Ross, Smith, Alford, Boss, Bradshaw not going nuts when Tiki and Luke Retired and left.

Next year they will have a #1, and 2 # 2's. If there is a big play TE with Winslow like ability they can go after him to really round out that offense. I also wouldn't mind the big play guy at LB, in the secondary, or anther quality DT to mix in there with one of those 3 early picks.

The Giants could be good for a half decade like the Patriots after they won their first title in 2001.
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Chase Blackburn is also one of the best special teams coverage guys in the league. He is a special teams stud.
 

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Shall we go over the cupcake schedule they have had?


Rams>???? wow tough team
Cincy everyone beats them
Seattle horrible team
49ers......... need I say anything
only quality wins are skins and steelers


lost to the browns........lol....... giants will be exposed sooner or later when they play some good teams........if the steelers wouldn't of shot themselves in the foot the giants would of lost.........but oh well.........
 

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showed up to play today!!!!! awesome :toast:

but why couldnt you show up on MNF? :ohno:
 

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Shall we go over the cupcake schedule they have had?


Rams>???? wow tough team
Cincy everyone beats them
Seattle horrible team
49ers......... need I say anything
only quality wins are skins and steelers


lost to the browns........lol....... giants will be exposed sooner or later when they play some good teams........if the steelers wouldn't of shot themselves in the foot the giants would of lost.........but oh well.........
LOL.... Shot themselves in the foot? what game were you watching? Looked like a smashmouth defensive battle to me! Love how everyone is blaming the pitt loss on the bad snap!...Hilarious...like there wasnt plenty of time for the giants to have drove for a game winning FG! And ONCE AGAIN eli wins a game in the 4th Q...when will people realize he is a fourth quarter Field General!
 

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Shall we go over the cupcake schedule they have had?


Rams>???? wow tough team
Cincy everyone beats them
Seattle horrible team
49ers......... need I say anything
only quality wins are skins and steelers


lost to the browns........lol....... giants will be exposed sooner or later when they play some good teams........if the steelers wouldn't of shot themselves in the foot the giants would of lost.........but oh well.........


The Giants don't get to pick who they play. They have won every single opponent thrown at them except one game. It happens to the best of us.

The Cleveland Browns were a caged animal with their back against the wall. Their coach and QB had their jobs on the line ( and still probably do to some degree) and they came out fighting. Cleveland was a home dog on a nationally televised game that could have come out extra hard, or quit... the brownies came out fighting and beat the Giants. It happens. The Giants are still in first place.


The point of my thread is that the Giants are actually building a pretty good team for the future, and they actually have 3 draft picks in the top 2 rounds. The only glaring need on offense is a big play Tight end ( they have the QB, WRs, RB and line), while the other picks could go to stock piling the shelf on defense. Giving SPAGS some more weapons to put heat on opponents with.

The Giants have recently had 2 HOF guys retire, and they lost a Pro bowl defensive end at the same position and have exceled.


They could end up being like the 2001 Patriots that won a game they were heavily favored to lose, only to build up that roster and be good for a half decade. The Giants have already shown similarities to that 2001 Patriots team.
 

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If the Browns loss " exposed" the Giants, then what did the Steelers win do? Don't tell me that an injured long snapper and punter lost Pittsburgh the game.

It was 14-12 and the Steelers were punting as it is. Instead of punting with a 14-12 lead, they punted a safety tied 14-14. The bottom line is that Pittsburgh had to stop the Giants offense and they failed to do that.

OK, Let's say the Steelers did get their punt off. The Giants still would have marched down and scored and taken a 19-14 lead instead of a 21-14, and Big Ben would have still got stuffed on 2 rebuttal drives. In fact, Pitt could have had less time and Big Ben might have never got that 2nd chance.

Big Ben threw 4 picks and the Giants won fair and square. They won on the road in one of the AFC's toughest places to play. If you want to say that some 2 point safety cost the steelers the game when they lost by 7 points, then there is no point in arguing with you.
 

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