New pope was a Nazi....

[BaseballGuy]

Geez...

I think i'm about to puke.

From the AP

"In his memoirs, he wrote of being enrolled in Hitler's Nazi youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941, when membership was compulsory. He says he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood.
Two years later, he was drafted into a Nazi anti-aircraft unit as a helper, a common fate for teenage boys too young to be soldiers. Enrolled as a soldier at 18, in the last months of the war, he barely finished basic training."

Ya know we Jews have words for people that say they were forced into the Nazi Party, we call them cowardly pu$$ies.

 

[-Slim-]

I suppose if I put a gun to your head and forced you to come with me, you'd be a cowardly ***** also?

 

[noital]

I admit i do not agree with bush and his policies,but if there is a draft would you call
our draftees cowardly ***** also.

 

[BaseballGuy]

I suppose if I put a gun to your head and forced you to come with me, you'd be a cowardly ***** also?

If you wanted me to go join a group to kill innocent people, I would tell you to fvck off and take my chances.

Many Jews and Germans alike tried to revolt hitler and the nazi party. While most of them died, they did so with pride and dignity. This man did nothing of the sort.

 

[BaseballGuy]

I admit i do not agree with bush and his policies,but if there is a draft would you call
our draftees cowardly ***** also.

People who are drafted into the U.S army are not told to murder unarmed woman and children because they hold a different religious view. People who are drafted are also not instructed to put said people into a camp where they will be either experiemented upon or worked to death. I sure as heck would hope you would not agree to such cowardly acts even if someone was holding a gun to your head.

Apples to oranges.

Adding: By your rational the nazi soldiers did nothing wrong. They were just doing their jobs...

:finger:

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

So is Arnold and they are planning to run him for el prezidente in the near future.

www.arnoldexposed.com

:drink:

 

[BaseballGuy]

So is Arnold and they are planning to run him for el prezidente in the near future.

www.arnoldexposed.com

:drink:

Haha.

Do you really think we would change the constitution for him?

 

[docmercer--banned]

Malachy foretold he would be a converted Jew if I recall ...

 

[stucco43]

Ratzinger has pephile written all over him

Vatican told bishops to cover up sex abuse , Ratzinger signed off on the document

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Expulsion threat in secret documents

Read the 1962 Vatican document (PDF file)[/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Sunday August 17, 2003
The Observer

[/font][font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The Vatican instructed Catholic bishops around the world to cover up cases of sexual abuse or risk being thrown out of the Church.



The Observer has obtained a 40-year-old confidential document from the secret Vatican archive which lawyers are calling a 'blueprint for deception and concealment'. One British lawyer acting for Church child abuse victims has described it as 'explosive'.

The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of 'strictest' secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunication.

They also call for the victim to take an oath of secrecy at the time of making a complaint to Church officials. It states that the instructions are to 'be diligently stored in the secret archives of the Curia [Vatican] as strictly confidential. Nor is it to be published nor added to with any commentaries.'

The document, which has been confirmed as genuine by the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, is called 'Crimine solicitationies', which translates as 'instruction on proceeding in cases of solicitation'. It focuses on sexual abuse initiated as part of the confessional relationship between a priest and a member of his congregation. But the instructions also cover what it calls the 'worst crime', described as an obscene act perpetrated by a cleric with 'youths of either sex or with brute animals (bestiality)'.





Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases 'in the most secretive way... restrained by a perpetual silence... and everyone... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office... under the penalty of excommunication'.

Texan lawyer Daniel Shea uncovered the document as part of his work for victims of abuse from Catholic priests in the US. He has handed it over to US authorities, urging them to launch a federal investigation into the clergy's alleged cover-up of sexual abuse.

He said: 'These instructions went out to every bishop around the globe and would certainly have applied in Britain. It proves there was an international conspiracy by the Church to hush up sexual abuse issues. It is a devious attempt to conceal criminal conduct and is a blueprint for deception and concealment.'

British lawyer Richard Scorer, who acts for children abused by Catholic priests in the UK, echoes this view and has described the document as 'explosive'.

He said: 'We always suspected that the Catholic Church systematically covered up abuse and tried to silence victims. This document appears to prove it. Threatening excommunication to anybody who speaks out shows the lengths the most senior figures in the Vatican were prepared to go to prevent the information getting out to the public domain.'

Scorer pointed out that as the documents dates back to 1962 it rides roughshod over the Catholic Church's claim that the issue of sexual abuse was a modern phenomenon.

He claims the discovery of the document will raise fresh questions about the actions of Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales.

Murphy-O'Connor has been accused of covering up allegations of child abuse when he was Bishop of Arundel and Brighton. Instead of reporting to the police allegations of abuse against Michael Hill, a priest in his charge, he moved him to another position where he was later convicted for abusing nine children.

Although Murphy-O'Connor has apologised publicly for his mistake, Scorer claims the secret Vatican document raises the question about whether his failure to report Hill was due to him following this instruction from Rome.

Scorer, who acts for some of Hill's victims, said: 'I want to know whether Murphy-O'Connor knew of these Vatican instructions and, if so, did he apply it. If not, can he tell us why not?'

A spokesman for the Catholic Church denied that the secret Vatican orders were part of any organised cover-up and claims lawyers are taking the document 'out of context' and 'distorting it'.

He said: 'This document is about the Church's internal disciplinary procedures should a priest be accused of using confession to solicit sex. It does not forbid victims to report civil crimes. The confidentiality talked about is aimed to protect the accused as applies in court procedures today. It also takes into consideration the special nature of the secrecy involved in the act of confession.' He also said that in 1983 the Catholic Church in England and Wales introduced its own code dealing with sexual abuse, which would have superseded the 1962 instructions. Asked whether Murphy-O'Connor was aware of the Vatican edict, he replied: 'He's never mentioned it to me.'

Lawyers point to a letter the Vatican sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then. The letter is signed by Cardinal Ratzinger, the most powerful man in Rome beside the Pope and who heads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - the office which ran the Inquisition in the Middle Ages.

Rev Thomas Doyle, a US Air Force chaplain in Germany and a specialist in Church law, has studied the document. He told The Observer: 'It is certainly an indication of the pathological obsession with secrecy in the Catholic Church, but in itself it is not a smoking gun.

'If, however, this document actually has been the foundation of a continuous policy to cover clergy crimes at all costs, then we have quite another issue. There are too many authenticated reports of victims having been seriously intimidated into silence by Church authorities to assert that such intimidation is the exception and not the norm. 'If this document has been used as a justification for this intimidation then we possibly have what some commentators have alleged, namely, a blueprint for a cover-up. This is obviously a big "if" which requires concrete proof.' [font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif][/font][/font]

 

[NICKYTHEFISH]

Cmon on now baseball guy at 14 or even 18 for that matter your saying you would have told the Nazis to fvck off and take your chances?

 

[Marco]

If someone put a gun to my head I might say "yes".......

Only I'd be thinking about a bit of payback before it was all over.....the big difference would be a gun to thier head would certainly go off......

 

[NICKYTHEFISH]

We are not talking about a school yard bully or a stick up man. You are talking about people who ran every single thing around you and what you did. It was the way of life there. You were going to pull some Arnold type stuff like in Commando and get revenge. Against who the whold Nazi party?

 

[BaseballGuy]

We are not talking about a school yard bully or a stick up man. You are talking about people who ran every single thing around you and what you did. It was the way of life there. You were going to pull some Arnold type stuff like in Commando and get revenge. Against who the whold Nazi party?

Nicky you and others seem to be a little lacking in your history.

Let me help you out.

1943 Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto revolted against the Nazis. They held out for four weeks. In the end the Nazis killed or sent all of the 60,000 Jews in the ghetto to camps.

Have you ever seen the movie schindlers list? Oskar Schindler, secrectly revolted against the nazis. http://www.oskarschindler.com/

Both Jews people and German Christians alike fought against the Nazi regime. Just because you guys would turn your head the other way does not mean everyone did.

 

[NICKYTHEFISH]

Baseball guy I get your point those were very brave and noble people. But the fact of the matter is that not many 14 year old boys are going to revolt. They were not worried about dying for a just cause the were just boys. And the fact that people are digging up these stories and you say this wants to make you puke I take offense to. Whether it is your faith or not this man has dedicated his whole life to his church and his god to do good things for people.

 

[Shotgun]

Nicky you and others seem to be a little lacking in your history.

Let me help you out.

Both Jews people and German Christians alike fought against the Nazi regime. Just because you guys would turn your head the other way does not mean everyone did.

Dude, until you learn the difference between being a Nazi and being forced to join the Hitler Youth, you have no business lecturing anyone on their knowledge of history.

 

[Ego74]

baseball guy, do you hold the same opinion of Robert Byrd, who "willingly" led the KKK for many years???

 

[gwienges]

arty:

 

[gwienges]

:sad3:

 

[Ego74]

are the Iraqi people "unworthy" of freedom since they were forced to vote for Saddam??

 

[docmercer--banned]

The confirmation will come when "Mr Reborn" does a press conference from the White House tomorrow ...

Bush making commentary on Papal proceedings is similar to William "The Refrigerator" Perry making commentary on the latest dental procedures ...