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Time to start calling your senators, boys, our friend Jon Kyl is at it again, this time he wants YOU to stop playing poker online too!:

Prohibition 2005 - A Sneak Peek at the Kyl Bill


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Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., is preparing to introduce the 2005 version his Internet gambling prohibition legislation, and Interactive Gaming News has obtained a draft version of the bill.

Like other recent versions of the Kyl bill, the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2005 would make it illegal to use credit cards, wire transfers or other "instruments of banking" to fund online gambling transactions. But unlike previous versions, the 2005 bill doesn't define legal and illegal online gambling activity, nor does it contain a carve-out for online horse betting, an activity that has generated hundreds of millions of dollars for states in which it is currently legal.

The carve-out issue has been at the heart of debates throughout the lifetime of the U.S. Internet gambling prohibition movement.

The racing, lottery and land-based casino industries have been vocal over the years; all are in favor of an exemption allowing individual states to decide whether they want to license and regulate various forms of interactive gaming. The Indian gaming lobby has sought exemptions as well.

Racing, the only gambling industry whose products are legal and regulated over the Internet in the U.S. states, has the most to lose if the current, exemption-free bill is passed.

But getting such a bill through both chambers won't be an easy task. The last exemption-free funding prohibition bill, authored by Rep. Jim Leach, R-Iowa, and introduced to the House in 2000, was ultimately killed by special interest groups who opposed the exemptions.

What remains to be seen is whether things will be different this time in light of the World Trade Organization's recent ruling in the Antigua/United States trade dispute regarding Internet gambling. The WTO ruled that it is within the United States' rights under the General Agreement on Trade Services (GATS) to block foreign Internet gambling services as long as the services are illegal domestically as well. Because race betting is the only form of gambling that's conducted legally over the Internet n the United States, it is believed that legislators will want to close that loophole so that the United States an effectively block all foreign online gambling operations while remaining in complains with GATS.

Nevertheless, some Washington insiders say that with each passing year without a prohibition bill enacted, Internet gambling gains more acceptance among the American public. The rise in popularity of Internet poker rooms has fueled industry growth over the last two years, and many believe that it will be nearly impossible to tell citizens now that the activity is illegal.

Add hot-button issues like the future of the Social Security system and the ongoing war in Iraq into the mix and the bill could be seen as a low priority for most Senate leaders.

Further, Republicans in the Senate are threatening to move forward with a "nuclear option" policy to prevent Senate filibusters of judicial nominations, and Democrats have threatened to respond to such an unprecedented move by making it nearly impossible to get normal business done in the Senate. Under such conditions, it isn't very likely that an anti-online gambling bill would see the light of day.

Kyl has introduced several bills aimed at prohibiting Internet gambling over the years, but none have cleared both chambers of Congress. Washington sources say the 2005 version could come to light within the next few weeks. Kyl will have until November 2006, when the 109th Congress closes, to push the bill through both chambers.

If the judicial nomination issue is cleared up and the Senate returns to normal business, the 2005 bill could see action before the Senate's late summer recess when it takes nearly the entire month of August off.

The bill likely be referred to the Senate Finance Committee (of which Kyl is a member), where members would then decide when (if at all) to schedule a hearing on it. Attempts to reach Kyl's office for comment were unsuccessful.

 
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. But unlike previous versions, the 2005 bill doesn't define legal and illegal online gambling activity, nor does it contain a carve-out for online horse betting, an activity that has generated hundreds of millions of dollars for states in which it is currently legal.

mix in no penalties and this is another bullshit bill....won't pass again :lolBIG: plus tons of other stuff on there minds Iraq and SS
 

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I have read that the DOJ say internet gambling is illegal. If that is true, why is the Kyl bill necessary?
 

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Because our system of government has WAY TO MANY CHIEFS, and not enough Indians.
 
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Shocking that there is another Republican telling us what we can't do. Thought they were for less government involvement??
 

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It's a "control " issue. (All parties are subject to that) People elected to office, feel the need to "control" others more than the average person.

The "control issue" is a sickness. Just look at this man Kyl and tell me that he's not a sicko.
 

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without exemptions for the racing industry, there is NO WAY this bill passes. probably just trying to "shake down" some lobbyists...
 
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. But unlike previous versions, the 2005 bill doesn't define legal and illegal online gambling activity, nor does it contain a carve-out for online horse betting, an activity that has generated hundreds of millions of dollars for states in which it is currently legal.


Ditto DANTE and his comments above on this statement.

-F-
 
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Whoson1st said:
It's a "control " issue. (All parties are subject to that) People elected to office, feel the need to "control" others more than the average person.

The "control issue" is a sickness. Just look at this man Kyl and tell me that he's not a sicko.


You got it right.

Everyone wants a "bi!ch", and for politicians, it's the public.
 
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Wildbill, what are you hearing from your sources about this?
 
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The government does what they want anyways. Right now they still claim it is illegal. They bend the rico act and say it covers the internet. They claim victory when the WTO rules against them. So does it really matter if they can get this passed or not? I don't think so. They will do what ever they want with or with out the bill. As if they don't have other more pressing issues to take care of.
 

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You would think congress would be more concerned with making sure the mothers and children in the u.s.a. had shoes on their feet and food in their stomaches instead of worrying about a few people playing poker. Don't you agree "Cobra"?
 
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Sources tell me nothing on it, but they never get involved until we have a live bill. Dont see how it changes from last year though. The issue gets further away from them each year, but they love to keep bringing it up. I think they really are just hoping for some big huge scandal to hit at the right time.

So my assesment of it for now is simply: Dead on Arrival. Just keep your noses clean books and we are closer to the day Kyl and his buddies look plain stupid for bringing this up. The UK and a number of other ¨first¨world jurisdictions will see to that.
 
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gambler1 said:
You would think congress would be more concerned with making sure the mothers and children in the u.s.a. had shoes on their feet and food in their stomaches instead of worrying about a few people playing poker. Don't you agree "Cobra"?

Exactly. They have so many real problems to take care of. Yet year after year we see this bill pop up. The new and improved version of course. It's getting ridiculous.
 

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wild bill is correct. I work on "The Hill" and am close to members of the House Financial Services Committee, where anti-gambling bills have originated for the past 2 Congresses. There just isn't any enthusiasm for this stuff right now. The anti gambling people are all tied up with the disuptes in the Senate over voting on judicial nominations, and don't have time for this nonsense. The credit card companies, who pushed this in the past 'cuz they were tired of getting burned, aren't pushing either. The shi*t storm that Tom DeLay is dealing with doesn't hurt either. Plus, with each passing day, Members have more and more constituents who gamble on line. Even if lightening strikes and such a bill were to pass, similar to what the House passed in the last Congress, I think it would not be that difficult to get around...nonetheless, it doesn't hurt to be vigilent.
 
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Nomad1951 said:
wild bill is correct. I work on "The Hill" and am close to members of the House Financial Services Committee, where anti-gambling bills have originated for the past 2 Congresses. There just isn't any enthusiasm for this stuff right now. The anti gambling people are all tied up with the disuptes in the Senate over voting on judicial nominations, and don't have time for this nonsense. The credit card companies, who pushed this in the past 'cuz they were tired of getting burned, aren't pushing either. The shi*t storm that Tom DeLay is dealing with doesn't hurt either. Plus, with each passing day, Members have more and more constituents who gamble on line. Even if lightening strikes and such a bill were to pass, similar to what the House passed in the last Congress, I think it would not be that difficult to get around...nonetheless, it doesn't hurt to be vigilent.


thanks NOMAD good stuff and great post if you want your start date here changed to 2001 email Thegeneral@therx.com he can change it to the the proper date
 
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This is what I think about the New Kyl Bill for 2005.
 

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