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Is it just me, or are the tax payers taking it up the ass once again.
 
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Taxpayers have been taking it in the ass with these high fuel prices. At least this is a start. This should have been done long ago, but the Clinton do nothing presidency didn't push hard for an energy bill, because of some stupid caribou.
 
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Red, not talking about the Alaska thing. More concerned about the huge tax breaks for oil companies and no liability for polluting ground water. Am I off base here?
 
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What is wrong with it is putting in a bunch of token ideas and calling it an "energy" bill. Much ado about nothing. I think the arguments about drilling in Alaska are overblown, but so are all the token tax credits. You are right though Judge, oil companies will end up best off here. In the meantime any idea to really cut consumption won't move an inch with these ideologues in charge. Raise gas taxes? Not a chance. Raise mileage standards? What give up my Hummer! This administration is not going to do a positive thing for us in terms of energy policy, but most of us already knew that.
 

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Clinton.Clinton.The right would blame Mother Theresa if it served their purpose.
 
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Too classic ...

Redneckman: should we also assume Clinton was one of the shooters on Nov 22, 1963??
 

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What really amazes me is the fuel economy thing coming up, yet again, only to be defeated, again. The arguments are fantastical:

Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, R-N.Y., a co-sponsor of the auto fuel economy proposal, said it would have reduced oil use by 2 million barrels a day — more than could be taken from ANWR — by 2020. He said it was “a bunch of nonsense” that the increased fuel economy would cost the auto industry jobs, force consumers to buy smaller cars or reduce automobile safety, as opponents claimed.

“We don’t need to micromanage our auto manufactures,” countered Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich.

So, already sub-par American automakers that are hanging on by a thread would not have to make any cutbacks if they could no longer produce Americans' beloved SUVs, because consumers will not have to stop driving them -- they will just magically begin producing Suburbans that get 36mpg because that's what GM has always been able to do, but mysteriously has not yet done.

(mind you, that's a Republican spouting the gibberish, not a Democrat, before this issue gets buried in silly leftie-rightie insult trading.)

In the end I'm more concerned about the $ 81 billion screwing than the $ 12 billion. You want to talk about a conspiracy, let's measure the likelihood that this measure being passed on the same day as a widely-covered bill that is subject of massive public interest (the energy policy bill) is just, you know, a scheduling coincidence.


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Judge Wapner said:
Red, not talking about the Alaska thing. More concerned about the huge tax breaks for oil companies and no liability for polluting ground water. Am I off base here?

not off base at all.

The GOP is determined to lose in '06. May be a good thing if they did, may teach them a lesson or two about "we are the majority, now what???"
 
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Redneckman said:
Taxpayers have been taking it in the ass with these high fuel prices. At least this is a start. This should have been done long ago, but the Clinton do nothing presidency didn't push hard for an energy bill, because of some stupid caribou.

It started way before Clinton. In all fairnesss to Bill, we didn't have this sort of energy crises during the Clinton years. He coulda done more "preventative maintainence", imo.

The GOP is doing nothing to endear themselves to "the poor" with this Energy policy, and the bogus bankruptcy (CC Company/Bank bailouts) Bill.

Just calling it as I see it
 
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Redneckman said:
Taxpayers have been taking it in the ass with these high fuel prices. At least this is a start. This should have been done long ago, but the Clinton do nothing presidency didn't push hard for an energy bill, because of some stupid caribou.
Redneck; Your half right about the problem and yes Clinton does have alot to do with the price of oil these days!!! I think it was 97,98 when Clinton let the approval of BP also know as British Petro to buy Amoco who is the single leader and holds the most reserve of crude oil in the world. And guess who ownsnow called BP Amoco?????? Do the math if your intelligent enough....
 
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Anyone see the posted profits for the oil companies that were released today??? Un f*cking real.
 

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