Never Seen Las Vegas So Dead !!!

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the wife & myself just got back from vegas yesterday, had to attend a funeral for someone that karen has known for years. and sense it was in vegas..... the old bulldog.... said sure i will drive down there with ya.. we checked on airline tickets.... and said "to much" we will drive !! not having allot of money to gamble with... because we were not expecting on going till early dec... for the da la hoya v.s. pacman fight, so "we" did more walking around then gambling. but in all the years we have been going to vegas..... we have never seen it so dead ! now most of the time when we go it's from thur's till sunday morning. we had never been there on a tues & wed's ! does anybody know if it's always like that or what ? i mean it wasn't like it was a ghost town or anything..... but usually people are walking around on the strip..... elbow to elbow at night time... and it was dead !!! it was a sad trip all around !! for both of us !!

L.O.L. bulldogboogers
 

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schools just started and most people have already taken their vacations this year or are waiting till closer to the holidays. Plus, with the economy like it is, people are starting to watch their spending.
 

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I agree. Left on monday morning, was at the Palms this weekend, completely dead on Sunday by 6 PM.

Mopi is right in terms of the slow down, but this economy is going to impact vegas big time.
 

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and one more thing !..... we thought corona hills,ca was bad on homes for sale & foreclosures.... we don't have anything on las vegas, nevada freekin burnt lawns everywhere !! SAD,SAD,SAD !!!
 

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Driving up next Weds to spend two nights downtown at Main Street Station - will be interesting to compare to past trips.

Personally I'm glad Vegas is struggling because the big corporations have turned their backs on the gamblers that built Vegas - high prices, bad gambling/VP paytables, declining comps, poor service, etc.

Now they just want a bunch of yuppies to spend $400 on a room, $200 on dinner, $300 on a lame Cirque show, $400 bottle service, with some 6/5 blackjack mixed in. Don't forget all the overpriced malls with the same stores they put in every casino now.
 
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Personally I'm glad Vegas is struggling because the big corporations have turned their backs on the gamblers that built Vegas - high prices, bad gambling/VP paytables, declining comps, poor service, etc.

Now they just want a bunch of yuppies to spend $400 on a room, $200 on dinner, $300 on a lame Cirque show, $400 bottle service, with some 6/5 blackjack mixed in. Don't forget all the overpriced malls with the same stores they put in every casino now.

Nailed it on the head :103631605
 

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Driving up next Weds to spend two nights downtown at Main Street Station - will be interesting to compare to past trips.

Personally I'm glad Vegas is struggling because the big corporations have turned their backs on the gamblers that built Vegas - high prices, bad gambling/VP paytables, declining comps, poor service, etc.

Now they just want a bunch of yuppies to spend $400 on a room, $200 on dinner, $300 on a lame Cirque show, $400 bottle service, with some 6/5 blackjack mixed in. Don't forget all the overpriced malls with the same stores they put in every casino now.


Yes, I agree. And I'll bet the top CEO of these companies have salary raises that you would not believe. That's why this country is in a mess financially.
I don't like George Bush at all. But he made one statement that hits the nail on the head. "Mortgage statements should be 1 or 2 pages long, NOT 50 pages".
 

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Golden Nugget in Las Vegas trying to rob players
<hr style="color: rgb(51, 102, 153);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> After the beating books took on teasers last week, the Golden Nugget lowered the odds on their teasers. The trick though - they are trying to make it retroactive. If your ticket says "$100 pays $400" (on a 4-team teaser, pay 100 win 300 for 400 payout), they are trying to pay less - not what is printed on the ticket.

They weren't able to sort this out in any reasonable amount of time. If you are getting screwed by these guys on this, go straight to the gaming commission. This is one of the rare instances when LV Gaming Commission can help - the ticket must pay what it says, not what the sportsbook wants it to say.
 

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Driving up next Weds to spend two nights downtown at Main Street Station - will be interesting to compare to past trips.

Personally I'm glad Vegas is struggling because the big corporations have turned their backs on the gamblers that built Vegas - high prices, bad gambling/VP paytables, declining comps, poor service, etc.

Now they just want a bunch of yuppies to spend $400 on a room, $200 on dinner, $300 on a lame Cirque show, $400 bottle service, with some 6/5 blackjack mixed in. Don't forget all the overpriced malls with the same stores they put in every casino now.


Well said. If you go to the Palms look at how small the gaming area is for table games, slots everywhere. Places like Nine and Tao are ripoffs.

Everything is overpriced. I feel sorry for the employees, but I hope a number of casinos go bankrupt.
 

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The VEGAS thing may be coming to a end..CORP. got fat for lots of years..the economy is the problem, and so is the internet..all guys need are a computer and a connection and on your laptop you have VEGAS..stay vacations are the new thing, and you still gamble but dont have the rooms and the meals and all that other BS..
 

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Since Las Vegas went public it is a vacation spot,meaning you don't just get in the car or a red eye on a whim and go blow through a few hundred dollars and repeat a few weeks/months later.

Now you must save up and mark a date on the calender.
 

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Personally I'm glad Vegas is struggling because the big corporations have turned their backs on the gamblers that built Vegas - high prices, bad gambling/VP paytables, declining comps, poor service, etc.

Now they just want a bunch of yuppies to spend $400 on a room, $200 on dinner, $300 on a lame Cirque show, $400 bottle service, with some 6/5 blackjack mixed in. Don't forget all the overpriced malls with the same stores they put in every casino now.

It's interesting to read the number of posts that strongly agree with this statement. Conventions, night clubs and amusement parks are the predominant reasons for visiting and the casinos are an afterthought. The day is coming when Vegas will no be a gambler's primary out-of-town destination.

Time to change my handle to Goldman Sachs.
 

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During the bash I was noticing Vegas not as busy as usual. And yes I did go to the strip, not just downtown.

Boyd has already ceased construction on their $5 billion project. MGM might have to do the same. I understand they have most of the loans secured, but they still need to borrow more to complete the $9.1 billion Citycenter.

Have you seen that thing? Talk about a fish out of water. And a giant one at that.

Casino cos. face uncertainty as credit tightens
Thursday September 18, 4:30 pm ET
By Michelle Chapman, AP Business Reporter
Casino projects face growing uncertainty as market turmoil creates deeper credit concerns

NEW YORK (AP) -- The market instability of the past week means that casino projects in need of big money may increasingly be delayed or even shelved.

Signs of distress have been emerging all summer, even as earnings remained strong across the industry.

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In June, Australia's Crown Ltd. backed out of a $5 billion project to build Las Vegas' tallest tower citing the global credit market squeeze.

The company held a minority stake in the joint venture with Texas developer Christopher Milam and private equity firm York Capital Management. Earlier this year, developer Ian Bruce Eichner and his company 3700 Associates LLC defaulted on a $760 million construction loan for the $3 billion Cosmopolitan Resort and Casino also on the Las Vegas Strip.

Then Boyd Gaming Corp. suspended work in August on its $4.8 billion Echelon development in Las Vegas until credit markets improve. The company said the capital market crunch left it without financing for parts of the Las Vegas project.

And just this week Pinnacle Entertainment Inc. ended its bid to run a Kansas casino. The Las Vegas-based company has also pushed back its plan to build a $2 billion casino in Atlantic City, N.J.

Robert LaFleur of Susquehanna Financial Group said in an interview that the credit clampdown is a huge concern for casino operators their success is built in part on continuing growth.

"When there's no liquidity, there's no credit available," he explained.

It may seem that casino operators should pull back in difficult economic times, but many projects take years to come to fruition, making it near impossible to predict what credit conditions a company will face when it needs financing.

"Nobody could've seen this level of dislocation in the credit markets," LaFleur said.

Some gaming operators, such as MGM Mirage, are turning to foreign investors to get their projects done, he explained.

MGM Mirage, for instance, has partnered with Dubai's government investment fund Dubai World in building the $9.1 billion CityCenter in Las Vegas.
 

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Funny you mention that, this is from yesterdays yahoo Finance page (read half way down Bold) :

The rich haven't gotten richer--or poorer--this year. The price of admission to this, the 27th edition of The Forbes 400, is $1.3 billion for the second year in a row. The assembled net worth of America's wealthiest rose by $30 billion--only 2%--to $1.57 trillion.Rising prices of oil and art paved the way for 31 new members and eight returnees, while volatile stock and housing markets forced 33 plutocrats from our rankings.
With a net worth of $57 billion, Bill Gates remains the richest man in America despite losing his crown to Warren Buffett for a few months this spring. Buffett's shares in Berkshire Hathaway have fallen 15% since February.
<table style="border: 1px solid rgb(215, 222, 238); margin: 10px;" width="40%" align="right"><tbody><tr><td style="padding: 10px;"> More from Forbes.com:

In Pictures: Secrets of the Self-Made Billionaires

In Pictures: 25 Years of Wealth

In Pictures: Service Industry Billionaires<hr style="color: rgb(215, 222, 238);"> In Pictures: The 400 Richest Americans </td></tr></tbody></table>Newcomers to the list include fertilizer tycoon Alexander Rovt, car dealer and art collector Norman Braman and Patrón tequila founder John Paul DeJoria.
Also new: Mark Zuckerberg, the 24-year-old founder of social networking site Facebook, who debuts on The Forbes 400 with an estimated net worth of $1.5 billion.
Among the returnees are Urban Outfitters chief Richard Hayne and Gap founders Donald and Doris Fisher, who rode the swelling contemporary-art market back onto the list. The couple's art collection is believed to be worth more than $1 billion.
The Forbes 400 is a snapshot of estimated wealth on Aug. 29, 2008, the day we locked in prices of publicly traded stocks. Given how unsettled the stock market is, some of those on our list will become significantly richer or poorer within weeks--even days--of publication. Many, including AIG shareholders Eli Broad and Steven Udvar-Hazy, have lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
The average net worth of The Forbes 400 is $3.9 billion.
The biggest loser this year was casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, whose fortune has fallen $13 billion in the past 12 months--$1.5 million per hour--as shares of his Las Vegas Sands have dropped 75% from their all-time highs last October.
Fellow casino kingpin Kirk Kerkorian lost $6.8 billion this year as his stock in MGM Mirage fell 70% since last fall.
Other tycoons who have lost big bucks this year include Min Kao of global positioning system maker Garmin (down $2.9 billion), Google guys Sergey Brin and Larry Page (down $2.7 billion and $2.6 billion, respectively), eBay founder Pierre Omidyar (down $2.6 billion) and media maven Sumner Redstone (down $2.5 billion).
This year's biggest gainer is New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose estimated net worth rose $8.5 billion after he bought back a 20% stake in his financial data and news firm Bloomberg L.P. from Merrill Lynch this summer, finally putting a price tag on the private media outfit.
Several Forbes 400 veterans fell off the list this year. Among them: former AIG head Maurice (Hank) Greenberg and former eBay chief Margaret Whitman.
Two-thirds of the members of The Forbes 400 have fortunes that are entirely self-made, while only 19% of the group inherited their entire fortunes.
There are 42 women on the list with an average net worth of $4.2 billion. Oprah Winfrey saw her wealth increase $200 million to $2.7 billion.
Six members of last year's list died, including potato king John Simplot and building supplies magnate Kenneth Hendricks. He is replaced by his wife, Diane. Other deaths included medical device inventor James Sorenson and Cargill heir John Hugh MacMillan III.
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<small>©AP Photo/Las Vegas News Bureau, Bob Brye</small></td> <td style="padding-bottom: 3px;" width="350"><big>1. William H. Gates III</big>
Net Worth: $57 billion
Source: Microsoft
Residence: Medina, Wash.
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Marital Status: Married, 3 children

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  • Software visionary stepped down from day-to-day duties at Microsoft in June to devote his talents and riches to philanthropy.
  • The $36 billion Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates to causes such as fighting hunger in developing countries, improving education in America’s high schools and developing vaccines against malaria, tuberculosis and AIDS.
  • Appointed Office veteran Jeffrey Raikes chief exec of Gates Foundation in September. Gates remains Microsoft chairman.
  • Appearing in TV commercials with comedian Jerry Seinfeld as part of campaign to improve Windows brand; Vista operating system continues to get mixed reviews.
  • Sells shares each quarter, redeploys proceeds via investment vehicle Cascade; more than half of fortune is outside Microsoft.
  • Masterful capitalist wants to change the rules. Talked up “creative capitalism” at Davos: “I am an impatient optimist. The world is getting better, but it’s not getting better fast enough, and it’s not getting better for everyone.”
  • Wants companies to match profit-making with doing good.
  • Inflation-adjusted net worth would top $90 billion if he hadn’t given away any cash.
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unabashed greed has finally caught up to them, record low revenues. they are giving rooms away and Its still empty.
 

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mr21- Excellent post. You hit it right on the head. This corporate dump is the most overrated vacation destination in the entire world. These greedy casino corporations act like they're doing you a favor when they fuck you in every way they can think of. Millions of people come here every year and I have no idea why. Finally it seems that the rubes that used top flock here are catching on and they've started to stay away. Good. I'd like to see every hotel in this dumpy city close down so I can go to the south end of the strip and take a long piss on the "Welcome To Las Vegas" sign.
 

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During the bash, I just couldnt get over how beat up everything looked. Very run down looking.

Of course there are lots of nice places to eat, tons of fine women and plenty of fun things to do. But the appearance of Vegas as a whole just made me wonder a bit. At least to me, it didn't look as marvelous as I would normally expect.

That's not to say I didnt have fun at the Nugget. The bash was a great time and a terrefic venue.
 

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Vegas wanted to become a big LA nightclub with carnival games like 6/5 Blackjack etc. as opposed to a gambling mecca
 

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they forgot how to make $$ from gambling, now they are in trouble.
screwing customers with 6/5 bj and -130 teasers is not the way
 

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Just a sign of the times and crises that are to come. This economy is in shambles, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. Gambling is just throwing money away, and people can't afford it anymore. The casinos are dependent on people willing to give them money for a little entertainment ride. For now and the foreseeable future, people couldn't do that even if they wanted to.
 

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