You think rings = "elite"
How many Super Bowls would Mahomes have with:
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Buffalo
(to name his top AFC rivals)
And/or... Chiefs division rivals (Broncos, Chargers, Raiders)
How many rings?
The answer other than ZERO is wrong.
There at least a dozen QBs who would slot into the Chiefs "system" and win....easily.
You think Jalen Hurts is "elite"? But he won a SB and TORCHED Mahomes! That's fanboy narrative, not football reality.
Defense and coaching wins championships, not "franchise QBs". If that were the formula, the Browns would win every season, since they practically draft one every 2-3 years and ruin them just as quickly.
Its not just SB but you have to consider it largely in an era where the QB holds so much control of a game where offensive rules are so advantageous and they get so much passing experience in college. How many times has Brady or Mahomes made that final drive tied or down? Its that clutch play where however their team has played they pull it out when needed. That ability to do that at such a high rate. Its not like Brady and Mahomes cruised like the 85 Bears in the playoffs every year. So many clutch plays and drives in situations
That Browns analogy is so bad lol they've had literally no franchise-level quarterbacks for decades lol besides maybe Baker, who didn't play quite as well there as he has in Tampa. Cleveland has had plenty of solid defenses, and they seem to have a pretty solid coach, but QB has really held them back. You literally thought the Browns would be in the AFC Championship a couple of years ago. They are the textbook example of why you need a franchise QB
There is not one set way to win a Super Bowl, but having one of the top tier QBs obviously can lead to a lot of team success. It's very evident looking at recent history
Mahomes has been playing with pretty mediocre weapons for a lot of the last few years. He's had good defenses and coaching, some pretty good OLines, but skill position players have not been great. Yet it seems like every time they "need" a drive in close games, he's able to deliver. And he clearly elevates his overall play in the playoffs.
Zero Super Bowls for Mahomes with your team, the pathetic Buffalo Bills. ZERO!
And just as many, if not more, for Allen in KC. You see how this works?
"Burrow is 5-1 against Mahomes!!!"
"Lamar is 6-2 against Allen!!"
So and so can't beat so and so, blah, blah, blah...
QBs don't even face each other on the field.
This isn't tennis or hoops or hockey.
Allen has to beat Chris Jones and a top KC D, not Mahomes. And who does Mahomes have to beat on the Bills again? Nobody. Or yesterday against the Ravens practice squad D.
Watch the actual games, instead of regurgitating the clown ESPN talking points.
And just as many, if not more, for Allen in KC. You see how this works?
"Burrow is 5-1 against Mahomes!!!"
"Lamar is 6-2 against Allen!!"
So and so can't beat so and so, blah, blah, blah...
QBs don't even face each other on the field.
This isn't tennis or hoops or hockey. Allen has to beat Chris Jones and a top KC D, not Mahomes. And who does Mahomes have to beat on the Bills again? Nobody. Or yesterday against the Ravens practice squad D.
Watch the actual games, instead of regurgitating the clown ESPN talking points.
It's not a bad analogy. Coming out of college, they've drafted some of the top QB prospects by every objective stat and rating.
The Browns just ruin them. There's this thing called "development"... which some franchises do well, whereas others are known as "QB graveyards"
Mahomes would have been ruined in Cleveland.
Baseball is another good example - pitcher vs pitcher (again, never physically competing against each other on the field)
Max Scherzer (Tigers) vs Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers)
Kershaw is 16-6 lifetime against Scherzer! So the TARD ESPN narrative is: "Scherzer just can't beat Kershaw!!!"
But what if the Dodgers have an all star lineup of hitters vs the Tigers loaded with scrubs? Is Kershaw actually "better"?
No. So the only real OBJECTIVE way to measure "pitcher vs pitcher" would be for them to face the SAME lineup with a fair sample size. Right?
Do you not see how RETARDED these fanboy narratives are, especially in sports like football and baseball?
Mahomes is "clutch" vs the other guy who isn't. Says who? Does Mahomes have to face Chris Jones and the brilliant D schemes of Steve Spagnuolo? How would he fare under those circumstances? Probably just as well as he did against the Eagles last year in the SB.
Max Scherzer (Tigers) vs Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers)
Kershaw is 16-6 lifetime against Scherzer! So the TARD ESPN narrative is: "Scherzer just can't beat Kershaw!!!"
But what if the Dodgers have an all star lineup of hitters vs the Tigers loaded with scrubs? Is Kershaw actually "better"?
No. So the only real OBJECTIVE way to measure "pitcher vs pitcher" would be for them to face the SAME lineup with a fair sample size. Right?
Do you not see how RETARDED these fanboy narratives are, especially in sports like football and baseball?
Mahomes is "clutch" vs the other guy who isn't. Says who? Does Mahomes have to face Chris Jones and the brilliant D schemes of Steve Spagnuolo? How would he fare under those circumstances? Probably just as well as he did against the Eagles last year in the SB.
Seems like all you wanna do is look at stats. Problem is Lamar isn't 6-2 against Allen and even if so he was dominated by Allen who is 2-0 in the playoffs. Same with Burrow and Mahomes. Mahomes and Burrow are 1-1 in the playoffs. Even if Burrow was 5-0 in the regular season and playoffs the context matters. Mahomes has 3 SBsand Burrow 0. Eli beat Brady twice but Brady still has 7 SBs so the overall context matters. winning matters. Sure some average Qbs are gonna win with real dominant teams but for the mlost part QBs especially when they are paid up the ass and with todays rules gotta win. You wanna sit back and play sports stat nerd and Allen has this stat in this spot when I calculated on my mega computer that says hes better lol. Watch the game and see who wins and whos clutch.Zero Super Bowls for Mahomes with your team, the pathetic Buffalo Bills. ZERO!
And just as many, if not more, for Allen in KC. You see how this works?
"Burrow is 5-1 against Mahomes!!!"
"Lamar is 6-2 against Allen!!"
So and so can't beat so and so, blah, blah, blah...
QBs don't even face each other on the field.
Allen has to beat Chris Jones and a top KC D, not Mahomes. And who does Mahomes have to beat on the Bills again? Nobody. Or yesterday against the Ravens practice squad D.
Watch the actual games, instead of regurgitating the clown ESPN talking points.
If Burrow wasn't hurt they would be contenders.
Dumb ass take from a dumb ass.
Bullshit.
Watch the actual games.
Mahomes isn't some universal QB savior; KC is the only roster that maximizes his skill set. Take him anywhere else - Buffalo, Dallas, Green Bay, New England, Pittsburgh even Baltimore - and that "elite" magic disappears. That 2018-2021 Mahomes? Gone. Week after week, his QBR reflects it.
To you "clutch” apparently means holding your team to sub-22 points all season…until you finally face the Ravens practice squad. 
Josh Allen plays in the trash division every year give me a break.Beats up on garbage I mean I think Allen is betetr than Leemah but Leemah plays in a better division with a tougher schedule. But apparently QB doesnt matter unless you have elite talent. I guess Bills should dump Allen and just build an elite defense.
I'm still at fudge record boy.
Talk about irrelevant
Keep trying you'll never get there though.
Lets go head to head on the NFL loser leaves for a year..I'm still at fudge record boy.
Talk about irrelevant
Keep trying you'll never get there though.
How about it tough guy?
You'd be lost not posting X and score updates here every 10 mins years running sadly this place is your life and is probably the only contact or friends you have in the outside world..
Sad fucker.
BTW you're not doing so good yourself you retard
Rules ?
2 or 4 games a week vs the line or over />unders ..your choice
no half time bets
Who's lines would you like to use?
Loser is out for a year , no exceptions, no ghosting
I won't start the thread till there is an agreement and rules
So....step up Barbie ballz in your court you stupid bitch.
Pure coincidence then that he’s 4-0 against Allen in the playoffs and has outplayed him each time?Bullshit.
Watch the actual games.
Mahomes isn't some universal QB savior; KC is the only roster that maximizes his skill set. Take him anywhere else - Buffalo, Dallas, Green Bay, New England, Pittsburgh even Baltimore - and that "elite" magic disappears. That 2018-2021 Mahomes? Gone. Week after week, his QBR reflects it.
KC defense wasn’t exactly stout in those games
Offense was though
