Muslim girl, 19, 'stoned to death after taking taking part in beauty contest'

[superbeets]

A teenage Muslim girl was stoned to death under 'Sharia law' after taking part in a beauty contest in Ukraine.


Katya Koren, 19, was found dead in a village in the Crimea region near her home.

Friends said she liked wearing fashionable clothes and had come seventh in a beauty contest. Her battered body was buried in a forest and was found a week after she disappeared.

Katya Koren, 19, lived in the Crimea region of the Ukraine. Her battered body was found buried in woodland

Police have opened a murder probe and are investigating claims that three Muslim youths killed her claiming her death was justified under Islam.


One of the three - named as 16-year-old Bihal Gaziev - is under arrest and told police she had 'violated the laws of Sharia'.


Gaziev said he had no regrets about her death because she had violated the laws of Islam.

 

[billhill999]

Not my problem.
Sorry if it sounds callous, but ..... not my concern.

 

[festeringZit]

Nice friendly peaceful religion of Islam.

 

[Michelangelo]

Not my problem either. I don't care what their rules are for their citizens or how they enforce them. That's their business.

Does it seem cruel by our standards? For sure. But I'm not ready to tell the whole world that they must live by our standards.

 

[festeringZit]

Not my problem either. I don't care what their rules are for their citizens or how they enforce them. That's their business.

Does it seem cruel by our standards? For sure. But I'm not ready to tell the whole world that they must live by our standards.

So you don't think we should speak out against basic human rights violations? Huh?

 

[barman]

Knock yourself out

I'm still in midst of battle to get my down street neighbors to trim their hedges off the outside road. Once I get that under control I'll consider lending my voice to social challenges in that Ukraine

 

[billhill999]

So you don't think we should speak out against basic human rights violations? Huh?

You know I love you dude, but two things, 1) it's not really my concern how the third world conducts business amongst themselves, 2) we could speak out until our lungs bleed, but they won't listen to us anyway, they think we are evil to begin with, what good would it do?

 

[festeringZit]

You know I love you dude, but two things, 1) it's not really my concern how the third world conducts business amongst themselves, 2) we could speak out until our lungs bleed, but they won't listen to us anyway, they think we are evil to begin with, what good would it do?

I'm not saying that there is much we can do, but I think speaking out against it is an easy way to let the world know where we stand, and make sure the world knows what is going on. If anything it puts pressure on the not-so-crazy Muslims in the world to try and bring some sanity to
the extremist groups.

We speak out against human rights violations in China, not that it's doing much...

 

[Michelangelo]

Zit,

Our definition of "basic human rights" has evolved over the years. It is a subjective. It was not particularly hard for our Founders to align our laws with Christian principles because virtually the whole population at the time was in agreement with those principles. Conservative Islam has a different set of principles and it is accepted in some countries where Islam is prevalent that the civil laws are pretty closely aligned. In some places there is a clash between Religious law and civil law. I think we need to let those countries figure out what principles are intrinsic to their societies. I have no problem with Sharia Law so long as it is the accepted law of that country. The liberals in this country have bent "basic human rights" to encompass many things my religous being and/or my thinking being does not accept. So who am I, or who are we, to define civil law and morality for the rest of civilization? I simply don't believe that we should. I don't even believe that we do it well for ourselves.

 

[festeringZit]

Zit,

Our definition of "basic human rights" has evolved over the years. It is a subjective. It was not particularly hard for our Founders to align our laws with Christian principles because virtually the whole population at the time was in agreement with those principles. Conservative Islam has a different set of principles and it is accepted in some countries where Islam is prevalent that the civil laws are pretty closely aligned. In some places there is a clash between Religious law and civil law. I think we need to let those countries figure out what principles are intrinsic to their societies. I have no problem with Sharia Law so long as it is the accepted law of that country. The liberals in this country have bent "basic human rights" to encompass many things my religous being and/or my thinking being does not accept. So who am I, or who are we, to define civil law and morality for the rest of civilization? I simply don't believe that we should. I don't even believe that we do it well for ourselves.

I disagree, there are some things that are so heinous they are not up for discussion. For example, taking a little girl and cutting off her labia with a tin can, or stoning a 19 year old for participating in a beauty pageant, or gang raping a 9 year old girl by a group of 50 year old men...

 

[akphidelt]

Zit,

Our definition of "basic human rights" has evolved over the years. It is a subjective. It was not particularly hard for our Founders to align our laws with Christian principles because virtually the whole population at the time was in agreement with those principles. Conservative Islam has a different set of principles and it is accepted in some countries where Islam is prevalent that the civil laws are pretty closely aligned. In some places there is a clash between Religious law and civil law. I think we need to let those countries figure out what principles are intrinsic to their societies. I have no problem with Sharia Law so long as it is the accepted law of that country. The liberals in this country have bent "basic human rights" to encompass many things my religous being and/or my thinking being does not accept. So who am I, or who are we, to define civil law and morality for the rest of civilization? I simply don't believe that we should. I don't even believe that we do it well for ourselves.

Blah blah blah. The world is an evil place. We are like the "Batman" of country's. If people are stoning 19 year old girls to death that is unacceptable by any moral standard. Fuck Sharia Law and fuck Islam.

 

[festeringZit]

Blah blah blah. The world is an evil place. We are like the "Batman" of country's. If people are stoning 19 year old girls to death that is unacceptable by any moral standard. Fuck Sharia Law and fuck Islam.

Bingo.

 

[ScottL]

On most issues you can bend my ear. And there are controversial issues where I can see both sides viewpoints.

Zit is one of the people who post here that depending upon the topic I will either strongly agree, or disagree with. On this issue I have to fully support his stance, although Zit and I differ on whether Moderate Islam exists [Yes, I Hope].

The problem with islamic fundaMENTALism is not merely that it's deplorable. It's that they want to outsource it all over the fucking world. They have shown the willingness to blow up people outside their borders to demonstrate that fact.

What is terrorism really other than a violent form of blackmail? "I took down your towers with all those people in them. And if you do not submit to me I will keep killing you." So basically I don't see it as a problem in Ukraine. I see it as a problem.

 

[festeringZit]

On most issues you can bend my ear. And there are controversial issues where I can see both sides viewpoints.

Zit is one of the people who post here that depending upon the topic I will either strongly agree, or disagree with. On this issue I have to fully support his stance, although Zit and I differ on whether Moderate Islam exists [Yes, I Hope].

The problem with islamic fundaMENTALism is not merely that it's deplorable. It's that they want to outsource it all over the fucking world. They have shown the willingness to blow up people outside their borders to demonstrate that fact.

What is terrorism really other than a violent form of blackmail? "I took down your towers with all those people in them. And if you do not submit to me I will keep killing you." So basically I don't see it as a problem in Ukraine. I see it as a problem.

I agree that there are moderate Muslims, but the problem is that they use the same book as the Islamists, which commands them to kill the infidels. So, in that sense
there is no moderate Islam, because for to be true to Islam is to be true to the Koran. So I'd say that until the moderate Muslims speak out and throw away
the parts of their book which command killing, then they are not true Muslims.

 

[ScottL]

Here you go Zit, this is for you! As an added bonus there's a bare-knuckle brawl in the comments section below the video. And I think all who are apathetic toward the subject of this thread should wake up as well:

 

[roadreeler57]

Maybe if Muslim Women would take a couple of clothes off & ours put a few clothes on maybe that would ease the tension...Obviously this multiculturism bit not working & its closer to home than you think...

 

[ScottL]

RR as the border is your core issue I imagine you've seen these. By the way your thread is about to go to p2

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/huge_tunnel_fou.php

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/01/iranian-book-celebrating-suicide-bombers-found-in-arizona-desert/

 

[roadreeler57]

RR as the border is your core issue I imagine you've seen these. By the way your thread is about to go to p2

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/huge_tunnel_fou.php

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/01/iranian-book-celebrating-suicide-bombers-found-in-arizona-desert/

Ive seen the tunnels & thats why I dont believe in the border fence there are also such things as ladders...Stop the freebies,birthright Citizenship & jobs will take care of it....................The suicide bomber book is probably true as Ive heard they are being trained in South America & coming up with the help of Mexico & the Coyotes...Theres an article in the Immigration thread on this very subject I believe I posted it off of facebook..

 

[ScottL]

There's more than one. Iranians are training terrorists with the full complicity of Chavez in Venezuela.
http://www.google.com/search?q=iran...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

[ScottL]

Conflicting Reports Over Death Of Katya Koren, 19-Year-Old Muslim Beauty Queen, Emerge

Ukrainian officials have slammed media claims that a teenage beauty queen was stoned to death by three Muslim suspects who alleged the 19-year-old violated Sharia law by participating in pageants.
As CBS reports, the body of Katya Koren was found in a forest near her home in the Crimea region of Ukraine one week after her disappearance. Her battered body had been partially buried.


Initial media reports said three Muslim youths were responsible for the murder, claiming Koren's death had been justified under Islam, the Daily Mail is reporting. One of the three suspects, named as 16-year-old Bihal Gaziev, was quoted as telling police that Katya had "violated the laws of Sharia," and that he has no regrets about her death.

Now, Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People Chairman Mustafa Abdülcemil Qırımoğlu, commonly known as Mustafa Cemiloğlu in Turkey, said the detained teenager, who is of Crimean Tatar descent, was pressured by police into accepting the blame for the murder. “The killing was covered in a distorted way, as if it was a religiously motivated murder, by the media around the world," he is quoted as saying.

Though initial reports claimed Koren, like her assailants, was Muslim, officials like Qırımoğlu now say she is actually Christian with Russian roots. "The girl was not Muslim. All these [reports] are a provocation and fabricated news."


Other authorities now believe Koren may have been killed by a psychologically troubled classmate, who robbed and possibly raped her before battering her to death with a rock. "A student did it, killing his classmate," Sergei Reznikov, a senior policeman involved in the case, is quoted by the Telegraph as saying. "There is no other underlying reason, neither religious nor linked with inter-ethnic conflicts."

Friends have described Koren, who reportedly finished seventh in a regional beauty contest, as liking fashionable clothes. Though the Crimea region is home to more than 250,000 Muslim Crimean Tatars, cases of Sharia punishment being meted out by stoning have thus far been unheard of.