Most overrated and underrated

[alfro]

Just write who or what you think is overrated or underrated...

Overrated
Team:Arkansas, Notre Dame, and Oaklahoma
Conference:Big 12
Underrated
Team: I think Southern Miss ,Penn State, and it might be just because I am a fan butI think South Carolina is pretty underrated also...
Conference:Big East

 

[TheVolFan]

Notre Dame should be permanently ranked #1 on the overrated list.

 

[SoonerBS]

Oklahoma is overated because of why?

 

[SoonerBS]

I'm just wondering what your criteria is for "overated" and "underated."

- Oklahoma is the bottom top 10 of most of the preseason mags and polls. Are they still "overated" and for what reasons?

- Everyone was overating Notre Dame last season because of Brady Quinn. This year he is gone and everything I have been reading has them dropped way down in polls and public concensus. So, how are they overated this season? Could it be that maybe they might be "underated" this season?

- I agree that South Carolina is a very good team and should do better than even last season's successful 8-5 season. However, as long as Steve Spurrier is the head coach of South Carolina, can we truly say they are underated? If you have a season where you go 8-5 and win a Bowl Game, how can you be considered underated? Underated compared to who? Where do you put them in poll success this season? Where do you put them in ATS success this season?

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[trentmoney]

i'll tell you what's overrated...

people talking about "who's overrated and who's underrated"...

not trying to be a wise ass, but i always find this ridiculous and frustrating...

everyone talks up team "A" bc they're good, then they become "overrated"... but yet, before they become overrated, they were just a good team that wasn't being talked a lot about, thus making them "underrated"..!!!

then people start thinking of team "B" that hasn't been overrated or talked about, and start labeling them "underrated", until everyone takes notice of this situation, thus starts talking them up, which is the same reason why team "A" became "overrated", thus making the "underrated" team no longer underrated..!!!

just concentrate on who will be good and who will be bad and that's all you need to know...

last yr wake forest went 10-2 reg season while oh st went 12-0... wf was considered underrated before the season, while oh st, with only 2 def starters returning, was considered slightly overrated (#! in polls)... well, oh st was 9-3 ats reg season while wf was 7-4 ats reg season

so i ask you, what does it matter who is overrated or underrated..?? if you thought either team would have a good yr, you were right, but if you neglected oh st bc they were "overrated" you missed out on $$$

btw, based on the amount of talk on this board, the rx posters are talking a whole bunch about these teams for whatever it means...

SEC: South Carolina
Big Ten: Illinois, and it aint even close...
Big 12: Ok ST
ACC: Va Tech
Pac 10: Oregon
Big East: no one

hope that helps

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[WinningWand]

Big East: no one

West Virginia baby!! They are NR for all audiences.

 

[trentmoney]

they're not getting as much pub in this forum as the others...

 

[SoonerBS]

trentmoney, I agree. The terms "overated" and "underated" are based upon a person's perception of any given team. That's why I asked the questions I did, and it's also the reason why I haven't received an answer.

I think better terms to use are "overhyped" and "underhyped." We all see teams being hyped and mentioned on these boards, in the news, and in the preseason magazines. I think there are teams that are being "overhyped" such as Nebraska and Florida. I also think there are some teams that are not receiving very much attention that will be good this season such as Colorado State and Fresno St.

 

[trentmoney]

trentmoney, I agree. The terms "overated" and "underated" are based upon a person's perception of any given team. That's why I asked the questions I did, and it's also the reason why I haven't received an answer.

I think better terms to use are "overhyped" and "underhyped." We all see teams being hyped and mentioned on these boards, in the news, and in the preseason magazines. I think there are teams that are being "overhyped" such as Nebraska and Florida. I also think there are some teams that are not receiving very much attention that will be good this season such as Colorado State and Fresno St.

you're right, nebraska has been getting more "hype" than ok st, it's just that i'm probably not used to seeing ok st so much, while you expect it from nebraska...

in a month we will see every magazine and website and everyone of espn's shows with an "overrated/underrated" list... it gets annoying, especially when those sites will be the ones hyping these teams or neglecting them right before they come out with those lists..!! it's a vicious cycle...

i have a list of teams i have earmarked to look for opportunities to fade and to play, and i don't think any of them will be on any "overrated/underrated" lists...

if they are, i might not be on the right track with them... :missingte

 

[fivestarjake]

overrated,underrated,overhped,underhyped. those terms are used year in and year out by fans who cant stand certain teams and are only bought out to attention if the media,ap polls,espn or the Bullshit Committee Standings say whether a team will be very good,decent or suck because they place a number next to their name. in dont care who is what or who dont like what team. as long as a team i bet on wins they will be my fav team that week.

 

[SoonerBS]

overrated,underrated,overhped,underhyped. those terms are used year in and year out by fans who cant stand certain teams and are only bought out to attention if the media,ap polls,espn or the Bullshit Committee Standings say whether a team will be very good,decent or suck because they place a number next to their name. in dont care who is what or who dont like what team. as long as a team i bet on wins they will be my fav team that week.

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[GoSooners]

I've said it here a couple times before..OSU will be a very underrated team this year. I have them finishing no lower than third in the Big 12 South. And they could very well finish above that mark.. Their recruiting has been outstanding the last couple years..They have some real studs on that team. And their defense will be improived this season. You can bank on it..As for the overrated hype, As SBS pointed out OU is 10. Hardly what I would call overrated. In fact that's right where I like them. And as for the Big 12, most publications that I've seen have them no higher than the fourth best conference..Hardly what I would call overrated..If the ACC turns out to be the conference that I think they'll be this season, I think they could end up making the SEC look like an overrated conference.

 

[GoSooners]

Plus I could care less about public perception. All that really counts here is who will be the most underbet and who will be the most overbet teams..The teams like Texas, OU, USC, Notre Dame will always be overbet teams. You have to pick your spots with those kinds of teams. I'm looking for the team that even fools the wiseguys and will beat the spread and win the true believers some money. Those are the truely underrated teams. They're out there. And this forum in the past has been good at sniffing out some of these teams..So let's go to work.
Like I said I'm looking at OSU. The big reason being is they haven't done anything significate up to this point under Gundy. So they are an "under the radar screen team". And you don't hear much about them in the media. Something else in our favor. And it always helps the early betting prospects for a team like this. Plus their giving me all of the indications of a breakout year. I think the win over Bama in their bowl game was a big boost for this school. Their making big changes to their athletic program and stadium thanks to the money of billionaire T Boone Pickens. Gundy brought in a new defensive coach from Ohio State. I like subtle little changes like this. And bringing in successful assistants from a bigtime program is another good indication of a team on the upswing...Next

 

[trentmoney]

I've said it here a couple times before..OSU will be a very underrated team this year. I have them finishing no lower than third in the Big 12 South. And they could very well finish above that mark.. Their recruiting has been outstanding the last couple years..They have some real studs on that team. And their defense will be improived this season. You can bank on it..As for the overrated hype, As SBS pointed out OU is 10. Hardly what I would call overrated. In fact that's right where I like them. And as for the Big 12, most publications that I've seen have them no higher than the fourth best conference..Hardly what I would call overrated..If the ACC turns out to be the conference that I think they'll be this season, I think they could end up making the SEC look like an overrated conference.

GS-
not sure what you're seeing w/ the ACC this yr... i don't think last yr was a fluke.

i'm banking on whitaker being qb for my 28-1 va tech nc bet but if he's not i'm not high on them w/ glennon @ qb

while i think wright will have a much better season this yr, i'm not sold at all on interior of canes oline, and youngblood certainly hasn't played to potential @ LT

fsu has new coordinator which should help but weatherford is still shaky and as long as x lee is behind him there will always be controversy after a bad game... also, fsu was not significant at all last yr, so even with some improvement i don't see them as a factor out of conference (they play alabama and florida so there's your sec/acc challenge)

wake, g tech, clemson, bc are all solid, but DEFINITELY not spectacular

i know someone's talking uva up on this forum, but first find a relevant skill player for me and then i'll start listening

all in all, how many difference makers are there in this conference??

best QB: matt ryan-would you take him over henne, booty, brohm, white, daniel, reid, tebow, stafford, etc.?
best rb: james davis, brandon ore- no way are they going ahead of mcfadden, slaton, hart or rice
best wr: don't even have to write anything bc this conference has none

sure there are some good defenses, but maybe bc these are the offenses they're going against...

as good as miami defense was last yr, they gave up 31 to louisville (most all season) and va tech gave up 31 to uga (most all season)

just not seeing what you're seeing...

 

[GoSooners]

Trent...I like defense heavy conferences. And I think the ACC will be better in this area than any conference this season. Including the SEC. The ACC has more returning starters coming back that I've seen in a few years. True they don't have a large amount of offensive stars. But except for a couple teams, the SEC wasn't all that top heavy with offensive stars last year either.
I'm liking the Big East too. They have alot of great playmakers. But this conference is still going to have to show me more defense before I can put them on top of my list.

 

[trentmoney]

Trent...I like defense heavy conferences. And I think the ACC will be better in this area than any conference this season. Including the SEC. The ACC has more returning starters coming back that I've seen in a few years. True they don't have a large amount of offensive stars. But except for a couple teams, the SEC wasn't all that top heavy with offensive stars last year either.
I'm liking the Big East too. They have alot of great playmakers. But this conference is still going to have to show me more defense before I can put them on top of my list.

GS-
ACC had 8 bowl teams last yr and 7 of them gave up 20 or more pts, with 2 giving up more than 30!!

almost every ACC team gave up it's most pts to an ooc team-
miami 31 louisville
gtech 38 w va
va tech 31 uga
mary 45 w va
uva 38 pitt
bc 24 c mich
nc st 37 s miss
clemson 31 s car
fsu 27 ucla

i think that tells a very important story...

and don't get hung up on returning starters...you're a much better capper than that!! oh st had 2 returning def starters last yr and gave up 7 pts @ texas in 2nd game of the yr... penn st had 4 def ret starters and lsu had only 5 def returning starters and were top 10 in defense!!

2 yrs ago phil steele had purdue #3 in nation bc they had 11 returning starters and they finished under .500
last yr iowa had 7 returning def starters and were horrible

i'm not going to tell you who to bet or not, but i would take a second look at the ACC before i start putting $$$ on them..!!

good luck

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[SoonerBS]

GS, I agree 100% with your assessment of Oklahoma State. I've been hearing some really good things about the new defensive coordinator and the work habits he's instilling in the defensive players this season. He basically told them that every position is open and the spots will be decided on how hard a player works for it this Summer and Fall. There's nothing like competition to improve a weak area on your team. We already know about how good their offense is and will be.

I've preached the same thing at other forums that you stated in your post above -- all that should matter to us is winning ATS.

 

[GoSooners]

GS-
ACC had 8 bowl teams last yr and 7 of them gave up 20 or more pts, with 2 giving up more than 30!!

almost every ACC team gave up it's most pts to an ooc team-
miami 31 louisville
gtech 38 w va
va tech 31 uga
mary 45 w va
uva 38 pitt
bc 24 c mich
nc st 37 s miss
clemson 31 s car
fsu 27 ucla

i think that tells a very important story...

and don't get hung up on returning starters...you're a much better capper than that!! oh st had 2 returning def starters last yr and gave up 7 pts @ texas in 2nd game of the yr... penn st had 4 def ret starters and lsu had only 5 def returning starters and were top 10 in defense!!

2 yrs ago phil steele had purdue #3 in nation bc they had 11 returning starters and they finished under .500
last yr iowa had 7 returning def starters and were horrible

i'm not going to tell you who to bet or not, but i would take a second look at the ACC before i start putting $$$ on them..!!

good luck

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Trent..Returning starters is basically just a starting point for me..I think the amount of total lettermen lost and returning is actually a bigger deal. I like to see plenty of team depth. And virtually every major team in the ACC have more lettermen returning and less lettermen lost from last season. I wouldn't base my picks strictly on how the ACC did in their bowl games last year. You could also use the argument that Houston had a better offense than anybody in the SEC because they scored more points on SC than anybody in the SEC did last year. But I would have put Florida's offense up against Houston's anyday, even though they only scored 17 poiunts on Carolina..To me, bowl games are another season, and not always the best indicator of things to come..Back to the ACC, Wake Forest is the only exception this season with more letterment lost.. They had lost only 10 lettermen from last year on their way to the ACC title.. This is a very important indicator in my opinion. Even Ohio State from last year, even though they had only 2 starters returning on defense and 9 in all, didn't lose hardly any total lettermen. I think they were operating on just 4 less than they had the year before. And Florida was playing with about the same amount of lettermen from the year before. The biggest question about the ACC is like you said, will they have anybody that special with enough gamebreakers? They'll be a stronger overall conference, but the question is can they produce a BCS title team. Every year the conferences I always look at first to have a BCS title game representative are the Pac-10, Big 10 and Big East because none of these conferences have a conference title game and are more likely to have an undefeated representative. Teams with about the same (with no significate losses) or larger amount of returning lettermen from last year that I'm looking at close as national title contenders are LSU, Tennessee, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida State, Va.Tech, Wisconsin, and Louisville. Michigan loses a bunch..I don't see them being there. I also think West Va. loses a little too many. Although they are a little more borderline than Michigan. I'm still looking at other things like playing experience of the players filling the empty positions. And I know there are exceptions to the lettermen rule. But in general, in your major conferences good solid depth and backup experience means alot as the season goes and possible injuries occur. I remember the year 2000 when OU won the NC they didn't have one injury that season. Almost unheard of. Most teams aren't that lucky, and team depth will be their tipping point one way or another.

 

[Chispa]

If you look at overrated and underrated in terms of "Why am I spending money on all these preseason magazines that rank the teams?" then the question has some context.

Last year, e.g., Lindy, Sporting News, Phil Steel, Gold Sheet, CBS SportsLine, Street & Smith and the Blue Ribbon Yearbook ALL had Florida State taking the ACC Atlantic. [Althon had them second.] ALL of those same sources had Miami-Florida taking the ACC Coastal. Both those teams cratered. Both had 3-5 conference seasons. That's overrated.

Also, ALL of them ranked Wisconsin between 4th and 8th with an average ranking of 7th. Wisconson went 7-1 and took second place in the Big10 [tied with Michigan who went 11-2 overall compared to Wisconsin's 12-1 overall]. That's underrated. I'm calling it a trend, too. I'm planning to make some money on Wisconsin this year. :>Grin>

There're a lot of other examples of teams that were over/underrated. It interesting to look back and see how some of these "gurus" get it so wrong sometimes.

 

[trentmoney]

If you look at overrated and underrated in terms of "Why am I spending money on all these preseason magazines that rank the teams?" then the question has some context.

Last year, e.g., Lindy, Sporting News, Phil Steel, Gold Sheet, CBS SportsLine, Street & Smith and the Blue Ribbon Yearbook ALL had Florida State taking the ACC Atlantic. [Althon had them second.] ALL of those same sources had Miami-Florida taking the ACC Coastal. Both those teams cratered. Both had 3-5 conference seasons. That's overrated.

Also, ALL of them ranked Wisconsin between 4th and 8th with an average ranking of 7th. Wisconson went 7-1 and took second place in the Big10 [tied with Michigan who went 11-2 overall compared to Wisconsin's 12-1 overall]. That's underrated. I'm calling it a trend, too. I'm planning to make some money on Wisconsin this year. :>Grin>

There're a lot of other examples of teams that were over/underrated. It interesting to look back and see how some of these "gurus" get it so wrong sometimes.

i get phil steele bc of the info, but i'm not too concerned w/ his rankings... he's wrong as much as right...he had wisky 7th also, and he had auburn winning the sec west w/ lsu 3rd, but he'll gloat that he had ark 2nd, which was higher than everyone else!!!

i usually skim thru the rankings of a mag, and the one that i agree with the most i'll buy

those rags will always have fsu, mia, v tech 1st in the acc... it's called "pack journalism"